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is it about Wades?

wouldnt be the first time that happened...

nevermind, West Coast Armory... Wades had a similar incident a while back if i remember right... either that or some lady blew her husbands head off with a "magnum" revolver while he was teaching her to shoot... ill see if i can find it..

heres the article for your link DD

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/03/14/man-commits-suicide-at-wash-gun-safety-class/

Wades has had atleast 2, maybe three.

2 in less than a week:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20001208&slug=TTF72IN8V

the accident with the .44:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970502&slug=2536936

Damn, thats like 5 at wades, the Man who shot himself infront of the others in the training class is bazarr, suicide is almost NEVER a spectator sport.

he did it in front of children...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...o=feeds-newsxml

NO CHIT.

Links fixed.

The boys and I went to a range in Scottsdale, AZ last spring. Shot machine guns. Good times. Wife and I went back a few days later to pick up something from the gunstore across thr street from them, and got there just in time to see the panic caused by a "self shooter" at the range we had been at a few days before.

Bummer.

this probably is going to keep happening more and more and more and more...

people are going to realize its far easier to just go rent a gun than it is to buy one, plus, its way cheaper...

some gun ranges, although toughted for how safe they are, are actually pretty dangerous... Wades is one of them...

at the Renton range in the late 90s/early2000s, some dude and his wife came to shoot, if you havent been there, its outdoors, and the bays are kinda close together seperated by plywood sheets for walls, anyways, she takes his Glock and slapped it down on the table and it went off.. blowing a hole through 5 bay walls... noone was hurt, but they were never allowed to come back to that range again... ive also seen guys do stupid sh!t out at Tacoma Sportsman Club as well, the guys there, will kick your ass out quicker than John Force at the Nationals...

Yup............10 years ago.......

Good eye BD, Wades has a policy to not rent a gun to someone who is by themselves...if they bring one from home, then they'll rent them a lane.

did they patch the bullet holes in the roof there yet?


correct Randy, i said it was a while ago anything like that ever happen at Bunyan, Randy?

Not that I am aware of.....

people need to look at how that range is ran, and model theirs after it IMO... ive only been there a couple times, but am thinking about joining next month or so, so that i could compete in some of the matches they offer (far more than TSC)...

the main thing i like about Bunyan?

this:

New members will be subject to a background check.

the part i dont like, is that you have to be a NRA member to join there, i can deal with that i guess, that range is top notch IMO...

The place we went to in Scottsdale gets about 1 every two months or so. They make all shooters go through a 3-4 page questionnaire, and watch a 15 minute video before you can shoot.

What? Really?

This whole thing is too bizarre for me.

Commit suicide at a gun range? I guess if you don't own a gun and can't find one to borrow......but it still is crazy stuff.

Really? Did you know this guy personally? How do you know he wasn't diagnosed with a terminal illness that the cost of treatment would have put his family in dire financial straits? Perhaps taking his own life provided financial security for his wife and kids; bravest thing he could have done. My point is, if you don't know the particular circumstances behind why someone chooses to take their own life, you shouldn't label them as cowardly.

Weren't there several people associated with this board that took their own life? One I believe was quite well like, if not revered. Is he labeled a spineless coward as well, too? Or another that used to post here (banned on several occasions), whose son took his own life... I doubt you'd call his son a spineless coward to his face.

Just sayin'.

I would say the comment has to do with the children present not the act. I think anyone who wants to be done........Be done. Who am I to say you can not but don't go pull the trigger in front of children and make them live with that for the rest of their lives.


That part is cowardly if it is truely what happened.

Goharley. The guy took his own life in public, in front of a classroom full of people, where kids where supposedly present. Thats cowardly.
If you want to kill yourself, do it in your own home... Better yet, don't do it at all, but still. Going to a gun safety class and doing it in front of people was a cowardly thing to do...

I get the point about the children, but that's not cowardly, per se, it's just bad judgement.

In my opinion, suicide is both a selfish and cowardly act... no matter who commits it...

that said...

there is no reason to hurt a grieving friend/relative by calling their loved one a selfish coward to their face... some things are better left unsaid...

Had two family members, a few clients, and three friends leave this way. I don't agree with their reasoning, and I think their decisions were extremely selfish, especially after seeing the destruction left in the wake of their deaths. At least all but one had the decency to keep it a private affair, and not do it in front of anyone.

Dick decided to shoot himself in front of his wife, and a number of officers. I thought that was rather uncalled for. At least he didn't make them shoot him.

You don't know that to be the case, unless you are privy to information the rest of us are not concerning the reasons for taking his own life. I do agree that doing so in front of others unaffiliated showed poor judgement.

If you think it's such a noble act, maybe you should try it. Don't be so fvcking stupid.

+1

IMO, suicide is always selfish, it may be the best choice in some cases....but to do it in front of an audience is another matter. Martyrdom in the extreme. "Pooor me" to the max. A good friend of mine took himself out with a shotgun.....was dying of cancer and didn't want to spend his savings on medical bills when his family was in need. His family of course would not have approved. I can respect that. No audience. That is why I say sometimes it's the best choice.......

The SOB that this thread is about was the "poor me" loser who now has caused a lot of crap for others to deal with......sickening.

Hmmm, how interesting. Some of you sure didn't have these same attitudes back in early May of 2011.

Ah, reality.... I had to tell my toddler sons that their mother--my wife--had died. I've handed flags to widows and grieving mothers.

I know reality; and I've been around long enough to know you cannot pass rash judgement concerning someone's actions without a glimpse of their motivation. Hell, it's one of the tenets of our judicial system.

I did not mean to imply that family member(s) he may have had would not be affected. I merely challenged your assertion that the man was a coward when you don't know anything about him.

My attitude has not changed pre or post May 2011.

Funny.......how different people see cowardice and heroism differently.

........just thinking out loud.......

The definitions are constant, however, one shouldn't assign a label until the facts are known.

A hero would not consider affecting other people negatively through their actions.

Do you know for certain whether that man considered what affect his actions would have on others? My guess is no, you do not, you're merely speculating.

Interesting, though, that if your premise is a hero's actions never negatively impact others, do you advocate removing hero status of war veterans? Surely you can agree that whatever actions a war hero took negatively affected the loved ones of those he fought against. So either your premise is unsupportable, or there are stipulations to heroism of which I'm not aware.

The thread is about suicide, not a soldier's actions during conflict. Stop trying to twist it to fit your weird agenda.

its a strawman arguement and not a very good one... As Dan S can surely testify, the only thing good about a strawman is they only take a spark and they burn really f'n big

I wouldn't be hard on GH, seriously. I know where he works, and who he works with, good folks under huge amounts of stress of the worst kind. I'm pretty certain he has seen much more than his fair share of incidents like this, maybe not necessarily in person, but he certainly has experienced the collateral damage afterwards on a firsthand basis.

Hopefully Rick, you weren't upset by any of my specific comments.

Take care.

Suicide may be painless for the person committing the act, but it takes a toll on those left to pick up the pieces.

Thanks Andy. I'm done with this one.