Pres Obama has done something that no one thought possible: He has united Dems and Repubs against himself with the latest scandal. Even the staunchest supporter of the President, the NY Times editorial board, has turned on his administration and determined that the President has no credibility left.

Transparency? The king has an invisible suit of clothes, and we can all see him for the fraud that he is. Just another piece of sh!t lying politician.

Well that's what the headline on Fox News says.

It's not what the NY Times says though -- they say Obama has lost all credibility "on this issue" (the issue of Patriot Act enabled surveillance).

But why bother getting the whole quote right, when a subset of it is more aligned with what you believe and want to be true?

FWIW -- I am not remotely excusing/apologizing for the administration on this, they're dead wrong. The entire mess including the Patriot Act and the totally secret crap it enables is a fiasco.

I didn't put up a quote, I put it into my own words. If I wanted a quote I would have C/P it like everyone else does.

Doesn't change the fact that the President railed against all these tactics and now deploys them regularly. Transparency? Nope.

For the record, I don't have a problem with his drone program. If you are a US citizen and decide to play for the other team, you should not be shocked when a missile hits your hut in the middle of the night.

Dogfish: Exactly.

No quoting from any website. Just my own personal observation. Fawking criminal, this man is. People believed in hope and change, and this asshole wins the Nobel peace prize for what he represents, not for what he has done. Give me a fawking break.

I don't read/watch Fox News, ever. I even told my 17 year old to stop watching it, as it would warp his mind.

Must be Bush's fault? Dan S was right. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

At least he closed GITMO like he said he would.

The Times walked back the first editorial:



President Obama’s Dragnet

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

Published: June 6, 2013 411 Comments






Within hours of the disclosure that federal authorities routinely collect data on phone calls Americans make, regardless of whether they have any bearing on a counterterrorism investigation, the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights.









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Those reassurances have never been persuasive — whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency’s phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism — especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability.

The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it

Yeah, Jerry.......where's the trust?

I mean.......really.

Not even close!

He would have to start two wars and kill countless young Americans with their illegality, not to mention hundreds of thousands of indigenous people on their own soil, all while bankrupting our country and call for more tax breaks for his rich buddies.

Oh and destroying the middle class.

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Stuff like this is why I call Obama a fascist fraud.

He could have done things differently - but he didn't and doesn't.

Bush's administration AND his administration are a disgrace. So are the voters in this country that didn't make sure the Patriot Act was never passed.

We're reaping what we've sown, and shouldn't be all that surprised.

The Patriot Act is UnAmerican and unconstitutional.

Obama is turning out to be one disappointment after another. I keep asking myself how a president who seems so different from Bush can be so much like Bush. Unless of course, he's controlled by the same powers that controlled Bush. America is screwed.

Privacy matters even if you have nothing to hide. It's not about having anything to hide, it's about things not being anyone else's business.

Do you have Curtains Chuck?

Can I see your credit card statements from last year?


If you choose to make this a political issue, this program started under Bush in 2001, and has been expanded by Obama. I personally dont think it is political, because the NSA and CIA are acting as rogue states within a state, regardless of what puppet administration is in place.

Totally agree SSF, your assessment of LBJ's escalation of the Vietnam conflict while pursuing his progressive programs is spot on!

Exactly! Rogue states within a state is a very good description. Well almost exactly. I think it is political because it occurs under the watch of those we elect. If the elected don't personally foster the action, they are still responsible for it happening, and I don't see anyone of them, R or D, saying they need to rescind the Patriot Act. FISA at least requires an easy to get a warrant, based on probable cause, from a justice who hopefully is better than a political hack.

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Nearly all of Congress and certainly both administrations are complicit in the absolutely unAmerican disgrace.

Unfortunately, hundreds of thousands of Americans (in the public and private sector), including some on this board, that are complicit too. This isn't just govt secretly "breaking in". They were given the [Bleeeeep!] keys!

I'd be way more pissed if all of this "breaking news" wasn't completely obvious years and years ago. The masses will always be too far behind the curve to really stop anything. Discussions on facial recognition and ePrivacy shoud have taken place decades ago. Even with the knowledge of what is happening, no one REALLY gives a [Bleeeeep!]. There will be something else on the headlines a week from now.

None of these politicians actions are justifiable but it should at least should be noted the backdrop on which they (especially the executive branch) are operating. If ANY attack happens, they will be blamed for not doing everything possible to prevent it. Therefore, from the president's perspective, I'd think that trampling rights is the go-to decision if they see it as lessening the chance of an attack. I also suspect that Obama has changed his stance a lot based on what he now knows and has seen, which are probably shocking plans. Still, [Bleeeeep!] him and anyone else that has let fear overshadow freedom.

America was screwed when the Supreme court ruled that Fox News had the Constitutional right to lie and call it news, America was further screwed when that same group of jacka$$es ruled that corporations were people and money was free speech.
Welcome to the days we have made America.

I'm not surprised that those that lean left want to blame Fox News and Bush, and the Supreme Court. How about Team Obama?

While not a fan of some of the things Pres Obama has/is doing he will have to go a long way over the cliff to even come close to being the total shitbag that W was/is. Killing people and sending our troops into a sovereign nation under false pretenses and sending our kids in there to do is unconscionable. Let us no forget his bankrupting our country to do it!

Apples and oranges!

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Wrong decade, try and keep up!


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