I think its comical to watch the engineered character assassination attempts come out in the media now against Snowden. Senators, pundits etc are all calling Snowden a traitor in a plain attempt to divert attention away from his disclosure. Denial is often the preface to justification. For the citizens of our country there is no justification, no national security assertion, that should dissuade us from the premise that our current government, in listening to every phone call and reading every transmission on the internet, is violating the fundamental Constitutional rights of American citizens.

ITT the usual know it all suspects sat idly at their computers waiting for the big chance to tell everyone else I told you so!

Tech Companies Tread Lightly in Statements on U.S. Spying

Someone’s not telling the whole truth.

In the wake of the news leak that the National Security Agency is engaged in a wide-ranging surveillance program of Internet users through a system called Prism, the world’s biggest technology companies responded by unilaterally denying any involvement in the government’s spying apparatus.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/tech-companies-tread-lightly-in-statements-on-u-s-spying/?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Ftechnology%2Findex.jsonp

Fishy

even if you just went up in the woods and cut off all communications to the world like Jeremiah Johnson, if the US wanted to, they could still spy on you by flying a drone with heat recognition and infared tech and watch you up there....

basically they have been lying to you for your entire life, and longer...

so what else have they been lying about?

9/11?

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that was kinda a joke Hank...

but seriously, what else have they been lying about? they government could probably control the stock market with some tactics dont ya think? maybe cause it to crash and bring americans to their knees?

oh wait, something like that already happened a long ass time ago... so they already have done it before....


edit for some history fun... who said it?

" I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies.. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, the banks and coporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.."

this isnt a clue, but the government is a corporation...

With few exceptions I'd wager that the government's first inclination is to always share nothing, then to share something that's not the whole truth, then to share something that's moderately truthful...and that's about as truthful and forthcoming as they are ever going to be.

Fish on...

Todd

Word.

So about that social revolt . . .

Never gonna happen, we're all too comfortable. If our kids were starving, it'd be different - then we have nothing to loose.

Besides, all Todd's friends came and took my guns away last night

more spying...


http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/201...s-records?lite=

The Unraveling Begins: Moments ago, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit against the Obama administration over its "dragnet" collection of logs of domestic phone calls, contending that the once-secret program is illegal and asking a judge to both stop it and order the records purged. And, as the NYT reports, "the lawsuit, filed in New York, could set up an eventual Supreme Court test."

Oh, and this: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/g...rporations.html

Well I must give the guy credit. He kept his promise of working across the aisle and getting R's and D's to work together

I may even send the ACLU a check!

I'd go with "already knew" and "hero" both...though anyone who is surprised by this eavesdropping program must have been under a heavy rock for the past thirteen years.

Fish on...

Todd

We live in the times of an electronic Herbert Hoover

That's to FN funny!





Fishy

Glad to hear about the ACLU lawsuit. I might just send 'em a check too.

Early in this thread I or anyone who didn't know the gov't. was snooping was called naive. Surely I'm naive, but I knew the gov't. was snooping, but I really didn't think it was this broad and pervasive. Apparently I wasn't alone in that. And I've been anti-Patriot Act since before it was passed into law.

What bothers me now is that a lot of Americans think Snowden is a traitor for revealing classified information when he was bound by a non-disclosure agreement in his employment, or just for releasing classified information, period. But the Supreme Court has previously ruled that a law that is unConstitutional is void, and therefore isn't violated. I don't know what charges the gov't. is planning on trumping up against Snowden, since he hasn't done anything illegal. It's the U.S. gov't. that has done the illegal action, first by passing the Patriot Act in violation of the Constitution, and subsequently all the NSA spying. I think FISA passes Constitutional muster, and I've never heard of it being challenged.

I hope the ACLU lawsuit is successful, and that the gov't. has to stop this BS and has to purge the records collected. That would be a large part of my version of UP THE REVOLUTION!!

This will certainly be interesting to see how all of this plays out. The owners have way too much invested in these control schemes to just walk away from them. Their first priority will be to purge the MSM of stories to get this out of the public eye ASAP.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-prism-verizon-surveillance/

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1

do they have Wi-Fi?


sounds like my kind of library...