#1042801 - 11/27/20 09:56 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: Rivrguy]
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it was sunny today
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#1044221 - 12/19/20 09:12 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Saturday 9/21/13
Quite a few bankies fishing "jacks", I was the only boater......not as many biters as in the recent few days.
I had 5, was looking for 6..........wham......fish hits and takes off "up river"....line screaming off reel, pull anchor, get motor started, have to get line off a branch, fish still there but BUT BUT, my 75 yards of braid is about gone.......can see backing.......fish runs more......line completely gone.....1st time in my life I've been spooled.
Never really had a chance....10.5' rod, rated 4-8 #.......but it was fun!!!! Jay Eff See!
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#1044222 - 12/19/20 09:43 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: Rivrguy]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Thanks f4b for resurrecting this thread. I read it beginning to end. Depressing and entertaining... all in one. Definitely some lessons to be learned here.
BTW... a quarter million Chehalis coho is a MIGHTY big number in the 21st century.
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#1044227 - 12/20/20 10:53 AM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: Rivrguy]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Real time report from downtown Aberdonia...
Puking BROWN mud and whole trees into Grays Harbor.... dropping into low tide.
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#1044411 - 12/27/20 10:11 AM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: Rivrguy]
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River Nutrients
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12/27/2020
Bored yesterday so did my "lookie lou bit".....Wynoochee, Satsop and Chehalis.
Chehalis at Fuller Bridge....1 rig in parking lot, no sign of boat and 1 pickup on ramp, shoveling dug off the ramp, into his pickup.
Satsop at highway, 1 rig still on trailer, just looking.
Wynoochee, no plunkers in lower river, couple at Black Ck. and some under the bridge......
Crying shame, all 3 of these rivers would have legal Coho to catch and of course some hatchery steelhead.
Be safe !!!!!!!
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#1044455 - 12/28/20 05:34 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Juvenile at Sea
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[quote=DrifterWA]12/27/2020
Wynoochee, no plunkers in lower river, couple at Black Ck. and some under the bridge......
Wow baitless plunking! I have only plunked a handful of times with near zero success. I felt that bait was my only hope in the game. I know it can be done without but I would be pretty discouraged after the first 15 minutes of No action. Even though 90% my river fishing is baitless.
Guess it could have its own thread on techniques for baitles plunking.
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#1044457 - 12/28/20 06:35 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
[Re: Rivrguy]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Baitless Spin'N'Glo has accounted for many a dead hatchery (and wild) steelhead over the decades.
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#1044463 - 12/28/20 10:51 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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River Nutrients
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Baitless Spin'N'Glo has accounted for many a dead hatchery (and wild) steelhead over the decades. 1968 - 1974....My fishing was plunking....spin and glows, Apple Knockers, Wobble Glo's, and other lures long gone. For some reason I drove to "Crooked Bridge" on the lower Humptulips. Some weekends there would be as many as 20 fishermen, on a long gravel bar. Oh the memories of fish caught, stories told, of older guys that remembered the glory days of "working in the woods, with the BIG TIMBER". These years were all before the Bolt decision, so many BIG fish, lots of wild steelhead. Memories, memories and more memories......
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#1044498 - 12/29/20 05:54 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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Glory days for sure, would’ve loved that. I would think since Washington doesn’t fish Steelhead commercially the tribes wouldn’t either, why do they? Did they before the Boldt decision?
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#1044499 - 12/29/20 06:13 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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Back when Steelhead was not commercially viable and tribal folks supplied towns with fish. Along came canneries and salmon harvest became an industrial money maker and tribal fishers were displaced. So I think the answer to your question depends on your point in time from the 1860's forward.
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#1044503 - 12/29/20 07:43 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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What’s your point in time from the 1860’s foreward?
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#1044504 - 12/29/20 07:59 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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River Nutrients
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No idea really. When my Dad was a kid in the 30's he went out on the log booms with a pike pole when the tide was going out and the salmon hit the effluent from the mill and bellied up to get fish to sell or trade. Tribal fishers were all up the coast and locals traded salmon for Steelhead. In the late 20's until the war things got a bit strange with the depression. At the time of the treaty tribal folks hunted and fished whatever was available. All a Steelhead was to both the settlers and tribal folks was a fish, nothing more and nothing less.
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#1044505 - 12/29/20 08:07 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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River Nutrients
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We have lost a lot. Unfortunately, we don't seem to want to recover what is lost but just to have "something".
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#1044508 - 12/29/20 08:54 PM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Each new crop of fish managers falls prey to the shifting baseline of depletion. The level of depletion they inherit is viewed as the "new normal" and becomes the metric or benchmark against which their tenure as manager is judged. Past failures to stem the perpetual depletion are not seen as "their problem"... and so the historic enormity of the problem is lost in the present context.
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#1044516 - 12/30/20 07:38 AM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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River Nutrients
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In the 80s, when I was in management, I also worked on Fraser Management and we (there) were used to runs in the millions. Plus, when I started out on the research project, we had a couple thousand chums in a mile or so of stream. So, I was used to high density.
But, one year we had a great pink run. Lots more than we had seen in years. So, I set up a flight in one of WDF's Beavers and took the staff out to actually see what lots of fish in a river looked like.
You're right about shifting baselines but we all do it. "Fishing/hunting was great in the (fill in the years when you were at your peak) and has gone to s**t now."
I started hunting deer down in Goldendale about a dozen years ago and thought I had died and going to heaven. Deer everywhere. Generally out of bow range but there. Numbers are way down now, probably due to all the new 5-acre ranchettes.
Look at how many people now drool over a 20-pound Chinook. That's barely "bait" to what Chinook should be. Same with coho; they seem to be shrinking........
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#1044519 - 12/30/20 08:14 AM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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In the 80s, when I was in management, I also worked on Fraser Management and we (there) were used to runs in the millions. Plus, when I started out on the research project, we had a couple thousand chums in a mile or so of stream. So, I was used to high density.
But, one year we had a great pink run. Lots more than we had seen in years. So, I set up a flight in one of WDF's Beavers and took the staff out to actually see what lots of fish in a river looked like.
You're right about shifting baselines but we all do it. "Fishing/hunting was great in the (fill in the years when you were at your peak) and has gone to s**t now."
I started hunting deer down in Goldendale about a dozen years ago and thought I had died and going to heaven. Deer everywhere. Generally out of bow range but there. Numbers are way down now, probably due to all the new 5-acre ranchettes.
Look at how many people now drool over a 20-pound Chinook. That's barely "bait" to what Chinook should be. Same with coho; they seem to be shrinking........
I don’t think they are shrinking, take the Snohomish for example: as soon as the Chums were wiped out I noticed the size of Coho got smaller. What are the chances the Chum fishery hit the big Coho/Kings also?
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#1044520 - 12/30/20 08:34 AM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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River Nutrients
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The Chinook have been shrining for a century. Initially, it was fishery related and is now food related too.
The chum fishery had nothing to do with Chinook, as the timing of fisheries are way different. There is some overlap with coho and chum but in my experience, we protected coho in chum fisheries by using larger mesh nets. Caught no coho. When mesh size was then dropped for steelhead lots of coho showed.
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#1044531 - 12/30/20 10:16 AM
Re: Chehalis Fishing Reports
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In the mid 1970's I volunteered to help spawn chinook at the Lower Kalama hatchery on my days off. I learned some things. In those days the largest, healthiest specimens were selected for taking eggs, and sperm. It made sense to me because those would be generally replacing the fish that had been caught in the sport and commercial fisheries, both by troll and gillnet. Then, some years later I learned that the hatchery administration wanted a broader spectrum of fish sizes spawned, not just the largest. Do you think that is still the directive?
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