Here's an image that describes how most of us IAM 751 union members are feeling about the contract.



Edit: I did not create this photo. It's just something circulating around.


That is our CEO. If he were to retire today he would collect over $260,000 per month from his pension!!! Yet they want to freeze our pensions and make it so it takes over 20 years for all new hires to max out on the pay scale!!!? When I say new hires I mean anyone who were to hire on after the vote on Wednesday.

I just came back from the Union rally at the local union lodge in Everett and I'm pretty fired up. Some of you may have seen it on the news. there's far too much I could write about here but here it is in short...

If we bend over and accept this "ultimatum" then we lose everything we have gained over 75 years! the union fought for my rights long before I was born and I'm currently fighting for my rights, as well as my current and future brothers and sisters! The company wants to give us all a $10,000 signing bonus if we vote yes. I could give a sh!t about $10k if it means losing all we have fought for. There are MANY who feel the same as me. I think that should speak for how bullsh!t the proposed contract is, because lets face it folks...$10,000 is a lot of money to most anybody!

Here's a link to a website that was created to help educate people on what is actually going on.

www.751voteno.com

our current contract is supposed to be in place until 2016. This all just came out of nowhere last week. It is a contract ratification. We cannot strike this year. Only on years when the contract is up for discussion.

Boeing threatens to move the new 777X production to another state if we do not vote Yes. It feels like a gun is being held to my head and they're gonna have to pull the trigger because I'm gonna keep standing up for our rights. I will not budge on this.

one of the other carrots they're dangling is they are offering a "golden handshake" to those who would like to retire at age 58 without penalty. that could sway the vote huge in my opinion because there are quite a few people around that age bracket that are ready to retire. I just hope they remember what they fought for during all the strikes through the years.

There are a lot more people affected than just the machinists if this goes sideways. If the triple 7 goes, the rest of Boeing manufacturing probably follows, and I think Boeing wants it that way. Try to keep that in mind when you vote

Ask the UAW or the steelworkers unions who thought they could fight progress. Go visit Detroit and Pittsburg to see the aftermath.

Steelidrew....don't drink all the koolaid the union sells! I believe you are a new Boeing employee if I remember right. If there's a semi long strke you will be one of the first to go when they lay people off. Been there done that. It's all about seniority. imo

I'm aware of how it all works. I've been there three years now. Just cause I'm new and they'll give me $10,000 is no reason to vote yes. this is a "take it or leave it" kind of deal. feels like communism. just saying.

Chuck S for the WIN.....

This is a hard lesson that I try and relay to a lot of my friends in the trades. They are always bragging about how they got a raise this or 5% that. What they don't see is that the very union that pretends to look out for them is also pricing them out of steady work. That raise is for jackshit when they're sitting home on unenjoyment in the slow months.

Unions tend to serve no one but themselves.

Does Boeing have the leverage to force union concessions?
Looks like they just scored billions in state tax breaks.


http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=boeing...k&FORM=EWRE

Good, some just get sucked into their hyperbole,and come out in the end in the unemployment office.

I don't blame you for being upset about the contract restructure. There are a lot of take aways. SPEEA supports you guys. Chicago has succeeded in putting you in a tough position.

I think Boeing put both the Machinests and Leg into a real hard spot. If either side says "no" then they are free to move. The Leg, by passing the bills, have put the turd in the Union pocket. Well played.

Hostess workers complained about mangement's unfair cut also. You should search that thread here and read how it played out over time.



The gun to your head is inflation, health care costs and competing markets but it so much easier to paint one guy as a scapegoat- it just isn't fair he makes THAT much... Blah blah blah. North Carolina wouldn't mind taking your job at all and state tax breaks might not be enough on its own to justify staying. The fact is, we ALL would lose if the move production... Your vote and the unions demands affect us all, long term.



There is some responsibility there.

I kinda figured I'd get this reaction posting this. I do not feel like we are selfish for wanting to fight for our hard earned benefits and wanting to fight for the future worker. I would like nothing more than for the 777X to stay in Washington. I've never been in a situation like this before. It's extremely stressful. I really enjoy working there. I want my children and grand children to be able to make a career out of Boeing if they so please but it's hard to want that if it would take them 20 years to max out on a pay scale that it takes us 6 years now to max out on currently!

I think a lot of the anguish is coming from the fact that it's such a take it or leave it proposal. it's supposed to be collective bargaining agreement where hopefully everyone kicks a goal. I want Boeing to continue doing well as I intend to continue my career there. I just truly feel that something has to give with the proposal. This is coming down from a political level too which I believe is different than the normal contract negotiations.

We will see what happens on Wednesday.

Also, I should add that the website I posted a link to was not directly created by the union. There are two sides to all this guys. it might be hard to see from the outside looking in?

When I first started working for B..old timers would get pissed off because I was working too fast...they would seriously get bent. For any of you that have never worked for a Union, you would not phugging believe some of the most worthless workers there are...not all of course. I work with this old Asain Man (really salt of the earth) that absolutely does ZERO work. He spends the first hour at the start and the end of the day bringing these trinkets in to surround his work area. He's a pack rat and his van is full to the brim with his treasures, I don't work at the main plants, but a place with about 200 people. Mngmnt does nothing....I could go on and on with stories that would blow your mind.

Where I work, we work very hard. I build 737 stobins. We build 42 737's per month now and rates are going up to 47 737's per month. where I work we do not have time to work slow or milk things.

Solduc,

I agree there are a few here and there that work the system but you'll find that anywhere.

Chuck,

The key word in your statement is "some".

Think about that.

I know the culture is different in Everett....nothing like here.

Union employees live in an artificial bubble insulating you from the real world and the union is very effective at protecting what you have. Unfortunately, that isn't the reality private employees face daily or what is typical of the country OR the world. Costs increase, that is an inescapable fact. At some point you and your brothers will make concessions or lose your job. If Boeing goes to NC, at some point the y will likely face the same issues- it is probably cheaper to build planes in Mexico or China.

My earlier point, and I suspect you havent searched the Hostess thread, is your issues affect us all and honestly I think just as selfishly as you- I hope you do take a pension cut because the regional economy deserves the work more than you deserve some guaranteed retirement.


I also think you have already decided and are looking for validation or support.


I hope you find resolution.

I have decided sir and do not need your validation or support. I simply posted this to vent and to also shed light on this current event from a different point of view than that of the media. this is not my first job by a LONG shot. I know what it means to work for small businesses with little to no benifits so I agree we have a great thing at Boeing. And we build airplanes. Doesn't get much cooler. just sayin.

Blue water pro,

I know they have been trying to unionize in SC but as far as I know it the governor will not allow unions over there. that's what I've heard.

You've made up your mind and needed to vent...



I am not sympathetic and neither are most non-Bowing employees. Our fate, and Boeing's, is being held hostage by a bunch of over paid whiners.


Sorry, I don't mean to be rude... You are a decent guy from what I've read and seen- I just don't agree.


BWP-

Been drinking again? I don't even understand one of your points let alone the paragraph. What are you trying to say?

Not a Prohibitionist at all and I understand why it is an emotional issue for all of us.

What difference does it make how much money the CEO makes? How many strikes did he go on to get where he is? You really need to pull your head out of your ass and deal with reality. Boeing will pull out if the offer on the table is rejected. They want it that way, and the union is stupid enough to hand it to them. Mind Boggeling

When I was a member of IAM 751 15-16 years ago they told me there was enough work for 7-10 years. I was laid off 18 months later. However, the union did pay for the classes I needed to move on and to tell you the truth, the lay off was the best thing that ever happened to my career. I would never want to go back and deal with the politics and good old boy network ever again. But I do miss the 2 weeks of vacation plus the time off paid at Xmas, getting paid Grade 8 money to run a spot welder on the weekends with no work to do, just reading a book. Beers at the Royal Bear. Ping Pong and basketball during breaks and lunch (I was building ping pong champ for 3 weeks until the Fillipino inspector took me down).

I hope it all works out for you but I would also suggest you have a Plan B.

So if Boeing wants to leave, why ask Washington State for Tax Breaks?

Here's the deal folks. This is all bigger than just keeping the 777x in Washington. However, even that is somewhat of an uncertainty because there is some language in the new contract that states, "both parties agree that some work on the 777x could be outsourced. There has also been a lot of talk lately about automation, or in other words...robots taking some of the "promised" jobs.

LOU 42 is work placement language in our current contract for the 737max, P8, Tanker, and existing Everett wide bodies. If this contract is voted in, LOU 42 will be gone in 2016 so it leaves a lot of uncertainty on the placement of some of the other programs. Losing the 737max production could be absolutely devastating. I'm looking to find some info on new work placement language for these other airplanes that may be hidden in the contract. I sure would like to know as I'm sure most of Washington would as well.

Drew,

Its an uphill battle. People looking in don't understand nor will you get much sympathy. I am currently a Fed Employee (hopefully jumping ship in the next couple of weeks) and no one really cared about the Shut down and the loss of pay (got the back pay though). I am also in the National Guard, no one really cared that they for a short time did away with Federal Tuition Assistance.

If people don't have a dog in the fight, its tough to get genuine support or advice with respect to your stance. Unions help get your bennies and increase your pay, but at times of strike it can be scary.

If they bluff is called then what? Its scary stuff messing with people's money. I do echo the comments about the CEO Pension being irrelevant. If that is what people want, get your education, and get into the Foster School of Business and earn your MBA. I have a friend that is making six figures shortly after graduating there. He started out as a PFC in the Army. If the will is there, you can achieve it. It should be used as a motivation more so than a way to discriminate the stance.

I wish you the best of luck, I have friends from college that are Engineers at Boeing and my wife's uncle is a pretty high up Engineer there as well. Make sure you challenge the Union to look at the reprocussions that may occur if they don't negotiate. Its one thing to stick to your guns but they need to remember to look at the negative results that can occur and the impact it will have on both the Union Members and the localized economy.

RB

Steeliedrew,

I feel bad about your situation. Boeing is no longer the home-grown Washington state company it once was. Boeing is a global corporation, and it has loyalty only to shareholders, period. It's about the bottom line and nothing else. Boeing is extorting billions of dollars in tax breaks from the state and extorting labor cost reductions from its labor force, IAM at the moment.

I hate corporate welfare, but that's what the governor and Legislature just handed Boeing. It's as bad as public funding for sports stadiums for rich team owners. Boeing threatens, "give us a fat welfare check, or we'll pick up and go to S. Carolina and get our welfare check from them, plus cheaper labor." The state caved in to Boeing's demand. It would have been political suicide with severe economic ramifications, but I kinda' think the Gov should have just said, "When you leave, don't let the door hit ya' on the ass on your way out."

The situation sucks. Boeing is in the driver's seat, and they know it. Taxes not paid by Boeing will have to be paid by WA's middle class citizens. When Boeing crushes the union, either by contracts favorable to Boeing and paying less to labor, then WA has fewer middle class citizens paying taxes. The reason the situation sucks is because it's all win for Boeing, while WA and labor lose. Regardless of the outcome, I don't see any upside. That is, I don't see how WA is better off as a state with machinists who in the future are lower middle class citizens instead of solidly middle-middle class citizens. WA may possibly be better off if Boeing and its machinists all move to S. Carolina - Boeing gets its cheap labor, and according to S. Carolina, their cost of living is lower, so machinists live as well there on lower income as they do here. And WA solves part of its traffic problem if Boeing goes away, and still loses a huge source of tax revenue. No matter what, Boeing wins, and WA and labor lose. That's what it looks like to me.

Sg

Just had a personal meeting with an IAM 751 business representative. Due to the Political aspect of everything they are unable to steer us toward our decision. However, Boeing has been having us watch live webcasts put on by executives and passing out all kinds of propaganda to sway the vote to yes. My personal opinion is that IAM national is in bed with Boeing. The marches and rally's that have been going on have been organized locally by actual workers like myself.

I asked the business rep about future program placement for planes like the 737max and it's just like I thought. Boeing can pretty much do whatever it wants when it wants. everyone is so worried about the 777X moving but we have to look at all other programs as well. It's a very scary situation but I'm a fighting machinist and I WILL be standing up for what I believe in tomorrow.

Good luck man.

Steeliedrew,

Do you know what you believe in? I'm not trying to be funny. I believe in the American middle class and middle class living, which came into being in part through labor unions. However, global corporations have neither the middle class nor Americans as their primary interest. It's about profit. And if they can make more profit by outsourcing your job to S. Carolina or to India or China, then that's what they'll do.

Good luck.

Sg

If you only take one thing from this thread, this is it. It's all theatre.

I'm blue collar to the core Salmo. My blood boils this evening and sleeping tonight will be next to impossible. I absolutely know what I believe in. You're correct, they will do what they're going to do.

[Bleeeeep!]!!! Suck my Fvcking dick.

Sounds like Boeing has had it's eye on moving for quite awhile now. The only reason they haven't left yet and might stay now is because of the ability to pay less and less each go around. In this instance cheating workers out of full pay for 20 years and getting tax free status. I bet Boeing has enough money to give each worker a million dollars and pay them full scale from the get go.

That pretty much sums it up.

The OP gets on here to "vent" and then gets all pissed off because everyone doesn't take the "poor me" attitude toward the union.

Vote the way you want and then live with the repercussions...be they positive or negative...Really pretty damn simple.

IAM 751 burnt one of the last bridges in 2008 during the height of the recession a 51 day shutdown. When settled...it was the same offer the Union proposed in the beginning. At least it was during prime hunting and fall Salmon fishing.

Anybody know what happened?

I've got 50 bucks say's common sense prevails and union takes contract. If they don't, I'm movin to Texas

It will be interesting either way- if the members call the company's bluff, the result could still go either way. Mcnerney suggested that Boeing "would explore all other options" before there would be a decision in an interview on the news tonight. I think his interview, while candid, was very carefully worded but, if I were playing poker, I think he dropped a tell and I'd call his bluff.


I bet they would re-negotiate and there is more meat on that bone.

I seen that interview too.


I rejected it and I'm not worried.

its saying its been rejected...

Have fun flippin burgers union boy'z

See ya!

Chuck,

Inslee made a statement that said he'll be gunning hard for it still. My take on it is that the Dubai air show is this week. Emirates is talking about purchasing 150 or so 777X planes. They're going to want them built in Everett so they're built right the first time and delivered on time. that's what we do in Everett. Boeing knows it, Inslee already stated that tonight and all of us skilled machinists know it.

Approx how many years worth of work is 150 planes? Seeing how Boeing just broke ground on a propulsion facility in SC yesterday, could it be you may get the work for that order but Boeing uses the profit from that sale to build up production in another location?

The propulsion facility is for building 737 max engine parts. funny thing about that is that the 737max was what we voted to keep in Washington back in 2011 when we ratified our contract that is set to expire in 2016. had we voted yes today that would have secured the 777x but would have also left uncertainty for future work placement of programs like the 737max. I'm not sure how many years of work 150 777x planes is but it's big for sure.

If its a Boeing I'm Not Going!

wtf?


China has built many planes...

I drive by the Machinist's Union Hall on my way to Mukilteo at least once a week. The life size artwork out front of the hall will tell you what they are most proud of. You would think it might be a Boeing aircraft and you would be wrong. The artwork is of a striking family around a burn barrel. If I was CEO I would certainly get the message loud and clear.

I really like that the machinists have preserved their pensions.

Unfortunately without a job, you don't get a pension.

The damage to the People of Washington will be immense. What a bunch of dumptrucks.

Rejector's should of taken a field trip to Detroit before committing

Looks like you will be able to pick up cheap recreational equipment and others things machinist like in 2016 when the current deal expires. Right to work states will bend over for Boeing and Boeing workers willing to relocate.

IMHO, States which provide major manufacturers with massive tax breaks and incentives should be somehow legally obligated to keep a certain percentage of their business in that state. Washington has extended their right hand for a handshake saying"we have a great deal for you" and Boeing is saving their handshake for someone else. Fuckem I say.

Further, shame on our dumb politicians who did not subject Boeing to any contractual labor obligations for said tax breaks.

Hitching any part of your wagon to a dullard like Inslee is a colossal fukup. Boeing and the unions will use him to fuk each other like the dildo he is.

In 5-6 years there will be 20,000+ folks that aren't qualified to be a greeter at Walmart...even if they shave and shower.

Colossal stupidity by entitlement minded idiots.

Yuup, the only problem with your post is that you forgot the Lawyers.

I wonder what skills Boeing teaches Machinists? I really have no idea what they do. Is it easily transferrable to other businesses? Will there be a bunch of companies around Pugetropolis who will get a sudden influx of highly talented individuals if B leaves? Will there be something for them to do?

I worked in a job where I was pigeonholed to a few tasks after a few years of being there, and while I was good at my job, and fairly compensated, and very secure, I still felt personally insecure knowing that my skill-set was diminishing to my core work, and I would not be a viable employee anywhere else should my job go away (I worked at a comma factory). I was nervous about that and quit that job ASAP.

Do machinists consider the opportunities for them if B leaves?

The naval shipyard is always looking for people.

Part of the biggest most wasteful socialist welfare system there is.

I'm no machinist, but I know a few. My guess is the only training received @ Boeing is specifc to the parts they are responsible for designing and engineering. I would bet they are fully qualified machinists when they are hired or before they can become part of the union.

Yes, the city of SeaTac will be hiring a few @ 15.00 hr MW.

They are assemblers for the most part. The union covers everyone from painters, sealers, assemblers to actual machine running machinists.
SPEEA is the engineers union.

SPEEA is the Enigineers Union.

Seems more like the free market at work to me?

Not technically...but covered under the MU.

According Wiki, they are.


A machinist is a person who uses machine tools to make or modify parts, primarily metal parts, a process known as machining. This is accomplished by using machine tools to cut away excess material much as a woodcarver cuts away excess wood to produce his work. In addition to metal, the parts may be made of many other kinds of materials, such as plastic or wood products. The goal of these cutting operations is to produce a part that conforms to a set of specifications, or tolerances, usually in the form of engineering drawings commonly known as blueprints.

That is where I got pigeon holed. I was a "nuclear engineer".

Since absolutely non of you seemingly have ever been in a union with great benefits I don't expect you to fully understand why 67% of us made the decision to vote no. I'm not going to beat a dead horse on our case as I can tell your minds are made up. The media has done a wonderful job of painting the IAM as militant union members. Honestly I think this was all part of Boeing's plan. It was win, win for Boeing. They want to leave so why not propose a slap in the face contract that they know we would turn down. Then they can leave without the state of Washington being mad at them since they are mad at us.

Personally, I'm a homeowner, in the middle of a $20,000 kitchen remodel, with a son on the way, and bills, bills, bills. You bet your a$$ I could have used $10k however, I did what I personally felt was right. And no, I'm not looking for any Pitty. I'm not interested in what anyone thinks right now other than Boeing and the union.

Senator Baumgartner is pushing Governor Inslee to try and make WA a right to work state. not sure how feasible that is because wa has been pro union for a very long time.

We are truly the only work force who can build the 777x on time, every time, and without defects, right now. Sure, maybe SC will one day be able to build the capacity that we do but it will not happen overnight. big customers like Emirates who are looking to order 150 777x planes will want us to build them.

Could this be the end of an era? maybe...

One of the great things about working for an employee owned, private sector company, is that we are all working to make the company better...

there is no us -vs- them

steeliedrew....

You're right...no one on here knows anything about unions, benefits or any such related topics ....

Only you, with your VAST work experience, are qualified to rule on these types of issues.

You basically just voted to jeopardize your "corporate welfare plan"

Nice job.... now live with YOUR decision and stop whining.

J_F_C

And BTW....Stam, I 100% agree with your post. However I wish you could learn how to express yourself...lol

Chuck you simply don't know what you're talking about.....just ask steeliedrew.......

The UAW told the auto workers on Detroit that they were the only ones who could build cars. The USW told the steelworkers no one else can make steel like them. And now the machinist union is telling you guys no one else can build the 777. Apparently you have to have failed history to work at Boeing.

stam and Chuck are speaking from experience and know what they're talking about.

Hank doesn't know a f'n thing about Boeing, the 787 and its batteries, the quality of work done at various Boeing plants................or anything to do with this thread, really.

So it's the typical thread................

Nobody on this board really cares. Well not everyone. Some of us are in unions. Some of us were furloughed. Some obviously don't work. I think Boeing machinists make more than Federal engineers and Boeing engineers make even more. Counting your huge Christmas bonus and OT. Wow I get a fukin 1% COLA. The right wingers want to ensure your CEO makes huge sums of money at your expense.

big daddy. You're pretty tough behind that keyboard aren't you? I'll tell you this...I'm no Fvking kid! fvck you.

God damnit Zach! You're a cool guy but I'm nobodies Fvcking turbo, buddy or chief.

Big Daddy can give you a loan.

Question for Chuck. You said you left your union once you were fully vested. so, did you not fight at all for your benefits? and if I was a corporation trying to take them would you not be willing to fight for them?

Big Guy? Boss? :>)

Now this: http://www.king5.com/news/aerospace/Right-to-work-special-session-231940651.html

This is just life as labor, Drew, and Boeing's pimp hand is stronger than labor's is now. In fact, it probably will be from here on out.

A competent machinist can make a living working in many industries, but those industries will likely play ball just like Boeing does, so this is something you'll face throughout your career.

I know Boeing provides you the ability to further your education on their dime, and this might be a good time to look into that and expand your skill set so you are better able to shift gears and stay gainfully employed should something big happen.

Good luck. I guess we'll just have to see how this plays out.

I'll be quite alright. I have an AA in automotive technology and worked as a factory Volkswagen technician for a few years before the economy tanked and people stopped fixing their cars. Still have all my tools from that venture. Then I dabbled into the marine industry for a few years where I installed and repaired reverse osmosis desalination systems in pleasure yachts and work boats. I've been on most of the Foss maritime Tugs, Crowley marine tugs etc. point is I'm always networking, and I'm educated. My other point is suck it.

Thanks Dan.

I've been thinking a lot about taking full advantage of schooling. The whole world is watching.

Eat me islander.

Not sure how much fight a smart man would put up if he knew the Victory today would only mean the defeat of those benefits in the future. Sometimes you have to look/think about the future to make smart choices today.

Oh you're too funny. But, you REALLY don't know me.

Then why did you post here in the first place? Also, it would have been helpful for us to know all these minor facts up front.


You don't expect us to fully understand? Understand how Washington State offers additional tax breaks AT OUR EXPENSE to basically fund retirement benefits that probably won't even affect you? And you wonder why we are unsympathetic. Obviously we are all under qualified to even comment on the intricacies of YOUR predicament and you wholely dismiss any discussion for nothing less than lack of agreement.

Huh.


I was going to let it go until you got indignant again, but you throughout this entire thread you havent really offered ANY reason why we should consider otherwise, you offer zero evidence other than how great it is to to work there and how difficult your OWN situation is. I think you thought of no one but yourself contrary to all opinions gathered here.


I have to admit, what I found most interesting from this dialogue is how carefully and thoughtfully you countered FP's sarcasm with this:






That was eloquent in the face of adversity and pretty much exactly the quality retort I expected.

You're Right JTD. You guys are all right and I'm wrong. can you sleep at night now? I'm the fvck out of here. fvck this website. It was cool once but is now full of the most worthless sh!t on the web. Those of you I have met are cool. Not sure about the rest of you. I'm done. I don't need this site for a damn thing fishing related anymore. Go ahead and delete my account. I really could care less.

I don't recall referring to you as a "kid"

As for the rest of your statement.......

Is your dad aix sponsa drew?

Right to work states suck. Boeing can go ahead and jump states and employ their new bright workforce for minimum wage it doesn't hurt my feelings.

I also thought you were a pretty cool guy, like I said in my first reply. We may not agree and I attribute your hostility and impulsiveness to your age.


I've been there.


It is okay to disagree and act like a man by following through with your beliefs, but I have to say, you folded like a house of cards brother.



You don't have to leave.

Now that's some SWAG!

BWP on the tambourine?

Screw it, I am taking my toys and going home because my union told me it was the right thing to do.

Boeing is the one that folded like a house of cards.

Unions worked out great here.

Try to find an example of when they didn't.

McCann Cadillac?
Mullen Collision?
Dan Meyer/Kay Parks?





I beat the buzzer! Do I win?

Most importantly they're going to continue to work great here.

Boeing should have comp rt tickets to Detroit for every Union member before the vote.

Well now that is an interesting perspective. I say that because it appears to me that BA has chosen to take control of it's own destiny.

your mom's box

What would Chuck S say...?

It's a phase..

__ __ __

People get riled up when their livelihoods are at stake.

I'll give drew some slack here because of that fact.




But this IS the Dark Side and everyone here is an asshole - why else would someone be here?

Be advised, and factor that in before replying, and you'll be in good shape.

Ok, that is sig material right deer! :>)

even though yer an asshole, I gotta agree with you


I grew up in home with a conservative Christian mom and a union boilermaker dad. I can remember every election. It was a crap shoot as to whether we were eating McD's with dad or caserole with mom... Once elections were over it was back to caserole

Join one!

All else fails, you can be a Federal Anal Rape Preventor. Lots of openings, giggidy.

How the fuk did I miss this?! I could get use to watching steelie drew talk crap. It's cute:) He has too many questions to quit. He'll be back.

My uncle just got laid off at Boeing Everett after the vote. He does IT stuff but he already has a retirement from IBM.

I went to Charleston for work back in November of 1987. Nice place. The people are pretty laid back and pleasant. In fact my wife went there for work earlier this year and enjoyed the place.

Appears that South Carolina is offering corporate welfare to entice Boeing to the tune of $1B. Sounds like they have some problems and have to send engineers from Seattle to fix their problems. It could turn out that the unions could organize the workers. Don't leave the product line without a note.

http://www.fitsnews.com/2013/11/12/boeing-blues-in-north-charleston/

It's sad that Drew decided to leave based on the fact that some people disagreed with his view of the labor vs. Boeing issue.

By "some people" you mean Drew, right?

My Union gave me a free 15lb Turkey. My soul is still in tact.

Those of us in the private sector had to buy our own turkeys... but happy hour was expensed...

Free??

Yes sir. I'm no longer a member now though. Moving on to greener pastures. This was probably the best run union that I have been a part of. Not sure if it matters that it was for a Federal Agency but they did well by all members without a lot of the BS dramas.

I used to belong to that Machinists union. Bunch of dimmies from my
experience. We were working on the 747. SSt and a challenge to sell 737s
much modified to the military. There were several wildcat strikes if you would call them that. Some jerk would get a hair crossways and pull a grievance. Mostly BS.
KACC dumped the Ravenswood WVA plant just because of Steelworkers antics.
Figure out some way for the company to make a dime and you will make a dime. Figuratively speaking. Some never figure out that when you screw
the company you are screwing yourself.

Hope 777x finds a way to stay here in Washington. For Boeing, the Unions
and the state economy's sake.

Was down at Mukilteo this morning having a walk and I pass a couple of large 4 wheel drive diesel pickups pulled close together and can hear the two guys complaining about what the hell does boeing think they are pulling yada yada yada. 2 guys in $40,000 pickups complaining about their lousy no good employer. Talk about blind.

Yuup.

It's okay for Boeing to take home millions of dollars in profits because of those guys and not even bother giving them a contract they want?

The profits of a company don't belong to the LABORERS.

This is who Boeing answers to

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=ba+Major+Holders

Something also forgotten is: no spending money in the pockets of the middle class = no need for Boeing aircraft to fly

People buying airline tickets and shipping freight create jobs, not Boeing CAS.

The company has to pay them something or they won't work.

People without money are going to go by train or fly an Airbus?

What the fu.ck are you even saying, X-ray?

PS - Never mind - I should have never even started a conversation with a fuckin idiot like you.

Really?

Did you just come up with that tidbit of genius by yourself?

What do you think when Boeing doesn't want to agree to the contract the workers want? They don't work.

You do realize that Boeing doesn't care if you purchase airline tickets. That is the airline's concern, and they will reduce price to fill planes. Boeing sells a large percentage of their planes to foreign airlines, so they will be just fine.

Soon that won't matter, when they move to another state and those workers that wouldn't agree to work will see how the unemployed survive.

If that happens there will be a few extra $40,000 trucks on Craigslist.



But no one will have the last laugh... There won't be one.

"That is our CEO. If he were to retire today he would collect over $260,000 per month from his pension!!! Yet they want to freeze our pensions and make it so it takes over 20 years for all new hires to max out on the pay scale!!!?"

If you cry about what another coworker in your company makes then you don't have the stones to better yourself. Also, you are biting the hand that feeds you. Read about the Hostess union...
Unions were once needed for worker safety but are the major reason outsourcing has been so widely used by big corporations, remember that profit is the bottom line and if you interfere or cut into it, the workers will always suffer...

Misguided in for the win...

Spot on commentary there.

Profits are the bottom line and that is why big corporations outsource. Just because you buy cheaper labor doesn't make it better.

Haha and what do you think happened to the scabs?

Upper management

Unions don't pay their members. Members pay their union dues. Obviously you've had too many.

Where is Steelie Drew? Come back. I told you nobody on the dark side cares.

Now they are having a game show at our expense


Literally

http://www.kxan.com/news/national/states-grovel-before-boeing-in-bid-for-777x-jobs_01551971

Boeing said these are the new rules, the union said no they aren't, we make the rules.

Silly Stam. Didn't you know that the union leadership has gills and can breathe underwater?

I don't think they should blow up the union leaders houses. Who ever said such a thing?

Second chance? We don't need a second chance we already told you GTFO here!

It is much better to have a pension and no job than to have the $15K +++ . Anyhow Obamacare looks much better than that crappy health plan. GFY's Boeing!

As a long retired member of Sr. Management (not here) I've been following this thread with 'interest.' The strong 'pro-union' people have long lost sight of a single fact of life. The 'value of your work input has to exceed what you're being paid.' That difference is called 'gross profit' and that's what pays ALL the bills. Net profit is why/how you stay in business; otherwise ... what's the point?

Is a CEO worth the money? In some cases I'd strongly suggest not. But what is the end cost if he/she makes a really bad choice? What is the cost if you make a blunder on the job? In the first case , potentially millions, in your case 'just go get another part' from supplies?

Folks, you do not 'own a job' unless you're self employed, which also means every day you wake up you're unemployed. Don't believe me? Ask a commissioned sales person .......

Just for Jollies, how many Union Contracts (and at what cost) does Boeing have to contend with? This one says this, that one says that, this guy/gal can't fill in at a different position when needed, etc.

To make a point: 'How many 'white collar' jobs are unionized? And why not?

Wonder how the vote will turn out today?

Surprised that Inslee didn't offer up WA State to cover their pensions?
<sarcasm inserted>

I'd like to go on record, before the votes are counted...



Win or lose, I hope Drew comes back. I know the decision is important, particularly to him, but it isn't worth fighting over.


I'd like to be the first to tip my hat to him.

Screw em.

I'm friends with Drew and work with him. I pretty sure he's not coming back. I only signed up cause of him. I have a huge friends base on Bloodydecks and they never treated me like you PP guys did to Drew.