A bowl for you, sir. And I do call you sir, for your conversation was enjoyable...but had I known you'd keep that native hen when I tailed her for you, I would've choked you with your line and broken your rod over my knee. I spit in your eye. When I see you again I'll get your lisence number and report you, sure--but I also warn you, sir, of the bowl there in front of you and your children and all of your future generations. A bowl of blood, in front of your face, forever.

Think how many get bonked that you don't see.
Blood on the rocks in April?

You have got to be kidding me! I feel that your comment is extreme! No, it sickens me! Unfortunately there will always be fishers that refuse to follow the rules. This makes me angry as well. But you know what...something that is really starting to get on my nerves is attitudes like yours. This is supposed to be a "sport" for cryin' out loud.

I fish to relax. I have a fairly stressful job and fishing seems to be very theraputic for me. I don't want to have to worry about some cracker threating to kick my ass if I cross his line again, or a gun packing prick that feels his time and place on the river is more important than mine.

I don't like poaching and am dismayed at the lack of respect for the fish that it displays, but what's with the bowl of blood thing? Is that some sort of a wicken hex? Too weird!

The bowl of blood thing has me a little worried ,if you were talking to the jerk ,you tail the fish for him, he grabs a rock ????at what point here did you get the clue,breaking his rod and assault him ......not the answer I understand you're pain,ask him before the killing takes place,if he does'nt comply then turn his sorry ass in......Or you can make a real cool lookin Voodo doll out of backer rod and a couple corkies ,do a little dance and say a chant ???

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Men are like fish we get into trouble when we open our mouths to much!!

It's all about morals and ethics guys.

While the thought of killing a wild hen makes my stomach turn and my blood boil, just as many or more guys happily give the war whoop and rock smash.

Then they take them home, stuff them in the freezer, and after a couple of years when they're really freezer burned, they throw them away to make room for the new ones. These are called meat fisherman.

These guys have monster freezers, sometimes two or three. Enough room for their deer, elk, games birds, and all the salmon and steelhead they can possibly keep. In May when the rivers are closed, they fish smallmouth bass when they're on their beds and keep them too.

I like to keep a hatchery steelhead once in a while, but I let most of them go too. Cleaning a fish at the end of the day ruins a good day fishing for me.

On a lighter note, how has the N Fork been fishing? I got two hatchery fish last week in there. That must be one hellava slide above Oso. It goes from crystal clear to latte. What did the rain from the past couple of days do to the river?

TK

Tk I don't know where you get off? I'm a MEAT fisherman I don't have 3 frezers and I keep only what I can eat in a couple of weeks. If they stay longer I bring them out and smoke them. It's guys like you that give this sport a bad name.Also I've been fishing for steelhead for close to 45 years and probably released more fish on Saturday afternoons between 2 and 4 than you have caught in your life.

Besides I see your from snohomish. I'll bet you live in a house and drive two cars, use toilet paper, Push tons of paper waste waste waste and probably have more to do with the decline of the runs of steelhead than that poacher. Look at yorself in the mirror. I don't in any way condone what that poacher did however put as much blame on you as him. You don't know what he's been through. He's probably seen his runs decline and the nets (native and commercial) take fish and he can't and guys like you move into his beautiful valley and destroy it.

Also being high and mighty about releasing hatchry fish is stupid. The game department put those fish into the system so you can catch them and TAKE THEM HOME TO EAT thats what there there for. Ask the WWFD they will tell you they want the sport guys to keep all the hatchery fish.

Ssorry to vent guys but when the kettlw calls the pot black it pisses me off.

Besides this kind of talk and pointing fingers is what made the other site about fishing brand-X. So don't ruin this one by your uppity attitute

The river came up a couple of feet yesterday. Should drop quick if the weather settles down.Its been a low water winter and this rain should move some fish out of the mud and into the upper river.
The slide you referred to is a doosie. Its about a mile below Hazel.Usually takes several days of no rain combined with cooler temps to clear the river below.2 feet of visibility below would be considered perfect.
I think fishkisser99 was just venting his frustration of the situation.After all, what would be the point of breaking the guy's rod after you already strangled him? Especially if it was a GL3!

Wow!
I think generalizing all "meat hunters" as having 3 freezers and wasting their game meat ridiculous.But if the shoe fits, wear it. Otherwise, why sweat it.You only really have to justify your actions to yourself.And Ron Bob, talk about pointing fingers. Do you live in a wood house and use toliet paper? Also, I was not aware that anyone has their OWN valley and run of fish.

Not to add any more fuel to the fire, but thank you Hillbilly for asking who owns the valleys and runs of fish. Let's not turn this into another nwfishandspitinyereye.com place.

To quote Woodie:
This land is your land
This land is my land
From California
To the gulf stream waters...

I am guilty of having one of those aforementioned 'MONSTER' freezers/game lockers, and do hunt/fish partially for the great tasting game. However, I can't help it! It's a weird thing- every deer/duck/pheasant I shoot just doesn't want to be released. They just lie there on the ground until I take them home. Then there's the Salmon and Halibut I choose to keep from my anual trip up north, instead of buying that farmed mush or paying out the ars for supermarket or restaurant wild salmon. (Note: native steelies ARE absent from my freezer).

I just don't feel bad about responsibly and legally taking and eating game.

Thank ye there Hillbilly for adding a little bit of sanity to this BB. I agree with ya that he probably was just venting his frustrations. The thing that I can't understand is why Fishkisser didn't just turn the fish loose if he tailed it for the guy, or why he didn't just say something to him at the time instead of later on this board. As for the game just lying on the ground after you shoot it, I have been trying to figure out how to C & R ducks for a long time. Wouldn't that be nice to experience the adrenaline rush of a pair of mallards decoying in, shoot'um up, take the feathers you need for your latest fly creation, then sprinkle some magic powder on them and they fly away!!! Let me know when you come up w/this magic powder I'll be your first customer. I agree that a few responsably taken fish is ok. Just in this day and age, there is no such thing as a resposnably taken native steelhead!!! Another thing that I don't understand (It's been discussed a little) is how you can justify the taking of native salmon, but not native steelhead. Just my .02 cents

Tim

Hey Ron Bob,

EVERYONE lives in houses, uses elctricity, burns fossil fuels and dumps waste. That DOESN'T mean you need to add to the problem by bonking natives. Touched a nerve, huh?

Hey, Larry Moe and Plunker over at NWfishing.com are looking for company. Maybe you could hang with them for a while?


Fish on.......

Hey Ron Bob:

Ive seen your posts on thi site and I agree with Dan S. you do need to go over to NWFISHING.COM and join Larry,Moe, and Plunker.

What rules are we talking about? Is it legal to bonk a Nate on the Stilly? Bonk 2 here on the Hoh and you are done fishing for the season (by the rules). Or C&R all season and not be sure of the mortality..

Hey,
It's not legal to keep wild Steelhead in the Stilly. Dane, you should'nt feel bad about providing food with legaly taken game (or Steelhead for that matter.) But the statistic's prove that for most people, they would be better off financially to eat Lobster at a five star resturant, than to consider wild Steelhead a food fish. If the run's ever got to the point where an average guy was hooking ten a day, then I would be the first guy to say let's eat a couple. (a great day that will be!) I think a bowl is in order. That will calm you down. Anyway we live in a civalized (so-called) society and rules are the foundation of that. Don't think you would want to meet me on the river during anarchy.

Tailed it with my gloves on, and brought it up the bank for the old guy. Went back down to rinse out my gloves and wipe off my tape and the dude had left--didn't even hear him go. My fault, perhaps, for not making sure that fish was released...and yes, the frustration burns, because I release ALL natives, even when I don't have to, and to think I helped a guy take a nate ILLEGALLY sticks in my craw. I bow my rod in shame.

Hey guys my point exactly!!! All I was saying was before you point fingers look in your own back yard. I never said that I didn't take that responsibility also. Appearently I make it a lot more important in my life than others.

I've been a reader and sometimes participant of the BB since its' earliest format. I've never participated in "bashing" posts and I've tried not to ever offend anyone with my hopefully helpful comments.

My point that I was poorly trying to make is that a native hen steelhead is worth far more than a couple of lousy fillets. The fact that he POACHED it is what really pisses me off.

Do I think people are dirt who kill wild fish when legal to do so? Hell no. There could be alot of reasons he/she conks (new one) that fish. First fish, etc. I've done it earlier years and witness it daily on local rivers. It's each individuals choice whether or not to kill a native fish, and like I originally said, it's all about your personal morals.

Mr Bob, you're dead right about me. I'm a total hypocrite. Not only do I live in a house, drive A car, and use toilet paper; I also archery hunt for deer and elk and have a spaniel for upland hunting, AND I store that meat in yep...a freezer. (I'm sorry if I offended anyone else who also hunts and stores there perishable meat in the freezer).

But you're defending a frigging POACHER and attacking a guy who believes that releasing a wild steelhead is the ETHICAL thing to do? It's not me who needs to look in the mirror.

As far as my "high and mighty attitude" about releasing hatchery fish, there's many reasons why I often release 'em. Most of the time I don't feel like dragging a sorry ass 5-6 lb. fish (like 98% of those found our local rivers) back to my car, and I'd rather crack a coldy when I get home than deal with blood, guts, meat, baggies, foil, cleanup, etc.

I would kill a double digit hatchery fish in a heartbeat. My gal and I like to eat fresh steelhead (hatchery, obviously) or saltwater salmon 6 times a year, tops. Of course I'm going to release the rest.

I guess I've gotten to the point where I just love to fish, and I get just as much pleasure watching it swim away as I do spilling blood. Since you Mr. Bob have "caught more fish on Sat. afternoons between 2 and 4 than I've caught in my whole life", I would think you would have reached that point also.

Sorry for my longwindedness, I had to clear some things up.

If I knew how to make one of those rotating smiling faces, I would.

TK

Back to fishing! Finally some fish starting to show up in the barren Sky. My friend and I hooked 4 today, landing 3, one big one.


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Humpy? what was the comment"I don't think you would want to meet me on the river during anarchy" mean? what the hell was that? I think I would like to meet you during anarchy!

I guess we can all learn from this, it is a shame we live in the "ME" era. It seems more often than not is from not knowing any better. I do know that violence is not the answer, usually education is the best solution.

Something that has worked when I have helped people land nates: First I say something like 'that is a beautiful native, isn't it catch and release here' and then I keep the fish in the water and ask if they want me to release it or if they want to do it? this usually gets the fish back where it belongs.

Anyway, it has been my experience that all things come full circle at the end of the day.

good fishing

TK

I agree with you exactly. I don't in anyway support poaching. Sounds like you and me are on the same page.

See you on the river

Hey,
I guess I was just bragging how tough and territorial I'd be if (God forbid) a situation like that ever went down. Sorry, and good luck "shoting" those guy's keeping wild Steelhead.