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#884696 - 02/09/14 08:17 PM Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL...
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...Missouri's MVP (voted by his teammates) and SEC Defensive Player of the Year.

6'2", 260...shitton of stats to back up those awards. One of the biggest prospects in college football this year.

With the combines coming up soon, Michael Sam came out as gay today...the first openly gay big time NFL prospect. Sounds like his coach, teammates, and friends at Missouri all knew he was gay, too.

He's going to be a big time starter in the NFL soon, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/sports...draft.html?_r=0

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#884718 - 02/09/14 09:44 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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If you had read the article instead of just freaking out you'd have found out that it wasn't much of a secret, he'd told his teammates and coaches long ago, and was pretty open about it on campus.

But no...it doesn't really matter to most the world, but something tells me it will matter a lot to the bigots and dimwits, though they're all too big of pussies to whine about it to his face, I bet wink

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#884719 - 02/09/14 09:46 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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#884754 - 02/10/14 01:28 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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I read Peter King's article and there are at least 5 GM's that say he is too small to play DE in the NFL. There are probably more than a few more that won't want to deal with the whole issue too.

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#884756 - 02/10/14 02:00 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Todd]
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Todd, I would think that a man who possessed your education would realize that it is an entirely reasonable concept for any society to be able to establish and enforce any social morays that it deems to be necessary to retain the cohesiveness of that society.

What, no anthropology classes?
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#884758 - 02/10/14 02:17 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
Why is he all of a sudden making it known and wtf does it really matter?



LGBT Agenda. is the answer to both of your questions.

While throughout all of time the definition of marriage has been the joining of a man and a woman, for some reason that definition would now be considered to be "unequal rights" and unacceptable. Evidently times have changed, for the better? In the that respect I think naught.

Perhaps tomorrow, up might be down, and port might be starboard.



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#884784 - 02/10/14 10:35 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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I highly doubt any NFL team would have cared about him being gay or not as long as he could play. They care only about winning and making money. If he would have helped with each of these the other would matter little.

I do think many will care about the circus that this will now be. As with the Tebow circus this will be a distraction from winning and making money. No one needs that and as his draft stock drops it will give all the LWWJ types a reason to say "bigot" and "racists".......thier two favorite words.
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#884785 - 02/10/14 10:58 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
I read Peter King's article and there are at least 5 GM's that say he is too small to play DE in the NFL. There are probably more than a few more that won't want to deal with the whole issue too.


KInd of like the GMs that thought Russell Wilson is too short to play QB in the NFL?

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#884852 - 02/10/14 06:50 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: Rev. blackmouth
social morays
Eel parties. Brilliant!
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#884853 - 02/10/14 07:05 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: goharley]
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He should have dropped the homo bomb after the draft. In an equal talent scenario why would a team pick him? All the drama that will follow this guy will make Tebo and Teo look like child's play. What a way to kill the team.
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#884855 - 02/10/14 07:14 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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Didn't seem to hurt Missouri. They more mature than an NFL team?

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#884856 - 02/10/14 07:16 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
He should have dropped the homo bomb after the draft. In an equal talent scenario why would a team pick him? All the drama that will follow this guy will make Tebo and Teo look like child's play. What a way to kill the team.


Full disclosure now is what makes him a stand up guy.

The only drama is created by the media. Every NFL player has already shared a locker room with a gay guy. NFL locker rooms are all about team! Media is all about keeping pea-wits divided.

Any NFL franchise that looks at anything other than talent when deciding to draft or not to draft this guy is a bottom dwelling franchise. Which is why he will most likely end up on a really good team.
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#884858 - 02/10/14 07:20 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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They did not have to deal with the media this guy will see going forward.
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#884860 - 02/10/14 07:25 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster

The only drama is created by the media. Every NFL player has already shared a locker room with a gay guy.



Gawd damn, if I could've only shared a locker room with the cheerleaders... Someday!!

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#884861 - 02/10/14 07:26 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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He's probley gotta good nose for the ball on top being a sack master.......Just sayin.Good luck,

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#884864 - 02/10/14 07:50 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Homophobia would be an irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals, if it really existed. The current usage of terms like "homophobic" and "homophobe" imply that all opposition to homosexuality is crazy. Actually there are many sociological, psychological and medical reasons that many logically-thinking people oppose homosexuality. People who abuse terms like "homophobia" are implying (whether they know it or not), that it's impossible to "love the sinner and hate the sin". No one talks about opposition to alcoholism in terms of hatred, because groups like Alcoholics Anonymous have popularized the view that drinking alcohol is addictive. The term homophobia, when it is applied to every criticism of homosexuality, implies that all such criticism is irrational (see phobia).

Commenting on its psychological use, WorldNetDaily managing editor David Kupelian states,

This is how the "marketers of evil" work on all of us. They transform our attitudes by making us feel as though our "super uncomfortable" feelings toward embracing unnatural or corrupt behavior of whatever sort – a discomfort literally put into us by a loving God, for our protection – somehow represent ignorance or bigotry or weakness.[1]

Homophobia is an etymologically incorrect term which most directly denotes "an unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality",[2] but it also includes a fear of increased political and social power of homosexuals in advancing their agenda. The term is used regularly by activists to describe several kinds of people, which may or may not match the actual definition of "fear of homosexuals and homosexuality". The recipients of the homophobia label include those who feel uncomfortable around homosexuals, those who reveal that they oppose "gays," and even those who may privately support homosexuality but who fail to publicly support homosexuals when called upon to do so.[3]

Conservative Christians and other people who strongly object to homosexuality often take offense at this term, which had led to the use of the term heterophobia to describe those who manifest an antipathy to those who uphold heterosexuality as normative or exclusively valid. While the term phobia is an irrational fear of something, nobody is afraid of homosexuals, and nobody fears contracting homosexuality. That is in contrast to heterophobia, whose existence has been documented.
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#884870 - 02/10/14 08:26 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster


The only drama is created by the media.


Word.
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#884907 - 02/10/14 10:54 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Beg your pardon.. blush

I'll rephrase that:

BTW, that '69 Redskins team was coached by Lombardi who had a brother that happened to be gay homosexual. Lombardi had zero tolerance for homophobia people intolerant? of gays homosexuals.

Better now?





Absolutely. grin

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#884909 - 02/10/14 11:18 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: STRIKE ZONE]
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He's probley gotta good nose for the ball on top being a sack master.......Just sayin.Good luck,

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#884929 - 02/11/14 01:28 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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I really could have cared less if he was gay or not. Does he do his job on the field or not? Simple as that.

I have friends, co-workers, and family members who are gay. Surprisingly the fact that they are gay almost never comes up because I like them for who they are, not because they are gay.

Good for him, but I think somebody needs a little attention. Non issue this day in age.
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#884938 - 02/11/14 04:10 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
I really could have cared less if he was gay or not. Does he do his job on the field or not? Simple as that.

I have friends, co-workers, and family members who are gay. Surprisingly the fact that they are gay almost never comes up because I like them for who they are, not because they are gay.

Good for him?, but I think somebody needs a little attention. Non issue this day in age.


He is the one that made it an issue.
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#884955 - 02/11/14 12:28 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: Rev. blackmouth
Originally Posted By: Dogfish
I really could have cared less if he was gay or not. Does he do his job on the field or not? Simple as that.

I have friends, co-workers, and family members who are gay. Surprisingly the fact that they are gay almost never comes up because I like them for who they are, not because they are gay.

Good for him?, but I think somebody needs a little attention. Non issue this day in age.


He is the one that made it an issue.


My last line was sarcasm. He's being a drama queen is what I was alluding to. Time for the world to move on.
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#884990 - 02/11/14 05:19 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Dogfish]
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Sam isn't being a drama queen. Since his college teammates and coaches knew he was gay, the media snooping that was going on was about to out him. He just wanted the announcement to be on his terms and not something pieced together by a sports reporter. As for it not being an issue in this day and age, we might hope so, but in the highly testosterone fueled locker rooms of the NFL, a climate of 1950s machismo still prevails, according to a number of professional football players.

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#885010 - 02/11/14 07:23 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Salmo g.]
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As Morgan Freeman reputedly said, but didn't actually say...

"You're not being homophobic. You're being an asshole."

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#885052 - 02/11/14 10:15 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Sounds like a Packer to me.
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#885203 - 02/12/14 06:43 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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#885223 - 02/12/14 08:12 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Brewer]
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Those who think he was just looking for "drama" or "attention" would have screamed bloody murder if he waited until after the draft, or until after the first season, or until after his first pro bowl, or whatever.

"How could have been so darn mean as to not told anyone until it was too late to hate on him?"

And then if it came out in ten years after he had retired...

"How could he have been so unfair by not telling all those extra-manly men who walked around with their dicks out around him all those years? It's like rape, only worse!"

Yes...as I said above...you're not homophobic, you're just an asshole.

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#885229 - 02/12/14 08:35 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Todd]
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All of those examples are farts in the wind compared to the media frenzy that this will cause. It's also a sophist argument because in most cases the team is dealing with it after the fact. They do not draft people with serious issues for the most part. Tons of talent never sees the field and you never know their names. Now every group not associated with the NFL but is pro gay will jump on the media pig pile. From a purely business stand point the downside is a mountain to the molehill of his talent. I could care less that the guy is queer but saying he won't pay a price for it is naive. Btw john elway wins how by saying what he really thinks? The only ones that win are the people that want to run around calling everyone a bigot . They have nothing to lose it's not their money it's not their life but they are the loudest .


Edited by Tom Joad (02/12/14 08:37 PM)
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#885239 - 02/12/14 09:20 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Because the holier than thou white libs have co opted the fags the same way they did the blacks. No one can stand on their own two feet with out a white lib calling people names for the cause. If they would just shut their holes, which is genetically impossible, and let people stand on their own two feet it all works itself out.
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#885333 - 02/13/14 12:12 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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You two are the biggest fuckin idiots I've ever seen.

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#885422 - 02/13/14 07:06 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Substitute bigot,racist,homophobe for sin, hell, and damnation and Todd is just like Elmer Gantry running around saving poor souls with his particular brand of religion. But the other guy is a bigger asshat for doing the same thing. Merica!
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#885424 - 02/13/14 07:12 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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The problem with having gay athletes in the NFL is that it brings out the idiots, bigots, racists, homophobes, and fucktards on the internet's dark side.

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#885531 - 02/14/14 02:51 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
Because the holier than thou white libs have co opted the fags the same way they did the blacks.


maybe they don't like being called "fags" and that's why they don't support a political party who's attempts to cloak their hatred of homosexuals are laughable.

the only big tent when it comes to gays in the republican party is larry craig's pants.

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#885533 - 02/14/14 02:58 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: topwater]
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The ones I know don't mind it's what they call themselves . They are secure in who they are and have a sense of humor. It's the sense of humor and security that will win out just like it has with the race issue. All the offended , indignant and self righteous have a self serving Agenda.
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