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#884938 - 02/11/14 04:10 AM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
I really could have cared less if he was gay or not. Does he do his job on the field or not? Simple as that.

I have friends, co-workers, and family members who are gay. Surprisingly the fact that they are gay almost never comes up because I like them for who they are, not because they are gay.

Good for him?, but I think somebody needs a little attention. Non issue this day in age.


He is the one that made it an issue.
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#884955 - 02/11/14 12:28 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: Rev. blackmouth
Originally Posted By: Dogfish
I really could have cared less if he was gay or not. Does he do his job on the field or not? Simple as that.

I have friends, co-workers, and family members who are gay. Surprisingly the fact that they are gay almost never comes up because I like them for who they are, not because they are gay.

Good for him?, but I think somebody needs a little attention. Non issue this day in age.


He is the one that made it an issue.


My last line was sarcasm. He's being a drama queen is what I was alluding to. Time for the world to move on.
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#884990 - 02/11/14 05:19 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Dogfish]
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Sam isn't being a drama queen. Since his college teammates and coaches knew he was gay, the media snooping that was going on was about to out him. He just wanted the announcement to be on his terms and not something pieced together by a sports reporter. As for it not being an issue in this day and age, we might hope so, but in the highly testosterone fueled locker rooms of the NFL, a climate of 1950s machismo still prevails, according to a number of professional football players.

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#885010 - 02/11/14 07:23 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Salmo g.]
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As Morgan Freeman reputedly said, but didn't actually say...

"You're not being homophobic. You're being an asshole."

Fish on...

Todd
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#885052 - 02/11/14 10:15 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Sounds like a Packer to me.
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#885203 - 02/12/14 06:43 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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#885223 - 02/12/14 08:12 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Brewer]
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Those who think he was just looking for "drama" or "attention" would have screamed bloody murder if he waited until after the draft, or until after the first season, or until after his first pro bowl, or whatever.

"How could have been so darn mean as to not told anyone until it was too late to hate on him?"

And then if it came out in ten years after he had retired...

"How could he have been so unfair by not telling all those extra-manly men who walked around with their dicks out around him all those years? It's like rape, only worse!"

Yes...as I said above...you're not homophobic, you're just an asshole.

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#885229 - 02/12/14 08:35 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Todd]
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All of those examples are farts in the wind compared to the media frenzy that this will cause. It's also a sophist argument because in most cases the team is dealing with it after the fact. They do not draft people with serious issues for the most part. Tons of talent never sees the field and you never know their names. Now every group not associated with the NFL but is pro gay will jump on the media pig pile. From a purely business stand point the downside is a mountain to the molehill of his talent. I could care less that the guy is queer but saying he won't pay a price for it is naive. Btw john elway wins how by saying what he really thinks? The only ones that win are the people that want to run around calling everyone a bigot . They have nothing to lose it's not their money it's not their life but they are the loudest .


Edited by Tom Joad (02/12/14 08:37 PM)
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#885239 - 02/12/14 09:20 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Because the holier than thou white libs have co opted the fags the same way they did the blacks. No one can stand on their own two feet with out a white lib calling people names for the cause. If they would just shut their holes, which is genetically impossible, and let people stand on their own two feet it all works itself out.
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#885333 - 02/13/14 12:12 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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You two are the biggest fuckin idiots I've ever seen.

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#885422 - 02/13/14 07:06 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: ]
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Substitute bigot,racist,homophobe for sin, hell, and damnation and Todd is just like Elmer Gantry running around saving poor souls with his particular brand of religion. But the other guy is a bigger asshat for doing the same thing. Merica!
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#885424 - 02/13/14 07:12 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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The problem with having gay athletes in the NFL is that it brings out the idiots, bigots, racists, homophobes, and fucktards on the internet's dark side.

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#885531 - 02/14/14 02:51 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
Because the holier than thou white libs have co opted the fags the same way they did the blacks.


maybe they don't like being called "fags" and that's why they don't support a political party who's attempts to cloak their hatred of homosexuals are laughable.

the only big tent when it comes to gays in the republican party is larry craig's pants.

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#885533 - 02/14/14 02:58 PM Re: Michael Sam, Missouri's 1st Team AllAmerican DL... [Re: topwater]
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The ones I know don't mind it's what they call themselves . They are secure in who they are and have a sense of humor. It's the sense of humor and security that will win out just like it has with the race issue. All the offended , indignant and self righteous have a self serving Agenda.
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