#888916 - 03/14/14 08:38 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Registered: 01/05/10
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Loc: Satsop Wa
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You too.
Wasn't there a tree somewhere?
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#888929 - 03/14/14 11:30 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 501
Loc: Des Moines NOT Seattle
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Bad management of the resource and no birth control..this is what happens.
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#888930 - 03/14/14 11:42 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
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Guess if you want peace and quiet......head North out of Hoquiam. You're kidding, right?
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#888931 - 03/14/14 11:57 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Egg
Registered: 03/14/14
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We floated yesterday from the east fork above the tornow in my black n white Clack SSG. We pulled it up and over the gravel bar behind the root wad. It is very doable but the mud silt behind the wad is about two feet deep. We went 4 for 4.
Born and raised in Hoquiam; mom and dad's ashes are in the Hump at the upper train bridge (long since dismantled and renamed); first iron skull caught there in 1951. The worst sportsmen I've seen in our area are locals, the out of owners are just confused by the rampant hatred on our river banks.
Just my opinion
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#888935 - 03/15/14 12:37 AM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
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If you know the river mentioned, you would know some slots are but 25-30' wide, with a boat anchored 4 ft from the shore and being 5 ft wide, that only leaves 20-25' of river, and I did not say anything about throwing anything, just that I would take it up later with him. The area I was referring to is just below the newer log jam, this is skinny water, the water below the west fork is quite abit bigger. And for years not many sleds ventured past the west fork, afew locals that launched higher, but nothing like today.
They should stay below the west fork, problem is this year it is the worst, Thanks WDFW for the new perfect sled launch on the west fork, before is was a little ride to get that high, so they for the most part fished lower
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#888936 - 03/15/14 12:42 AM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Spawner
Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 501
Loc: Des Moines NOT Seattle
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It's not the new launch..it is the lack of opportunity elsewhere. It'll get worse and then it'll get closed. The fish cannot take the pressure they are receiving here.
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#888937 - 03/15/14 12:51 AM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
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It's the launch, this year you can count 7-10 sleds to cook creek on any given day, three years ago you might have seen one or two, and they launched above the west fork on private ground. And as you got closer to the west fork you would start seeing them more, and between the west and hwy many sleds. Since the new ramp thier are more above then below.
The Cowletz needs to be restored to her glory, to again regain thier attention
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#888940 - 03/15/14 01:16 AM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Returning Adult
Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 246
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In my opinion you are both right. Currently there are only about 5 rivers open in western Washington where you could run a sled. Some of those are too high, some have no fish, and that leaves the other couple, which is where everyone with a sled is gonna be. Then figure how many sleds are out there in Western Washington, and it doesnt take long to figure out why we are having this discussion. Then figure its exactly 11 river miles from the mouth of the Satsop to the Turnow, of which about 8 miles consistently holds fish. I generally love new boat ramps but hated to hear when the west fork ramp was being rebuilt. I think I have fished the Satsop about 6 times since that ramp went in, and I used to be on it almost every week it was fishable. It aint the same, and never will be. Proximity to the I5 corridor, commercialization of the resource, internet articles, magazine articles, they have all popularized this river to a point of no return.
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#888953 - 03/15/14 12:06 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 7204
Loc: Snohomish, WA
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Just off the top of my head, here are a couple things out of many that could easily cure this (in no particular order). #1. Advanced Daily Access Lotteries (or first-come, first-serve access limits). #2. Rotating weekly calendars by fishing mode / platform (sled, drift and bank). #3. No sleds on rivers with less than (X) average total width as measured at the median / historical water height. #4. Anything goes designated Meat / Terminal Fisheries that are actually stuffed with brats (see the old Cowlitz B Run). The issue isn't that holistic solutions that work for everyone can't be found. The issue is different user groups that are only satisfied when all of their specific demands are met at the cost of all of somebody else's specific demands. The issue is that we are dependent on a government agency to think strategically and actually do some real work to fix something broken. The issue is a belief in personal river ownership without showing title. The issue is "this is my backyard, not yours". The issue is that everyone is a unique and special little snowflake and rules, laws, courtesy and methods of "wrong" styles of fishing are the other guy's problem. The issue is that only the other user groups are greedy, self-centered jerks that can only think about themselves. The issue is that we have a severe shortage of advanced, home based mirror technologies even in the year 2014. It's none of YOU guys of course. YOU are not part of the problem. YOU own a mirror. YOU are 100% correct all of the time. It's those other bastards fault and it can't possibly be YOU! Amirite?  Several pages of the same ol' same ol' bitching and sob-story drivel and almost zero discussion on solving the actual problem. I want to say that I am surprised by this, but alas history has shown to be the great equalizer of expectations.
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#888958 - 03/15/14 12:30 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 7204
Loc: Snohomish, WA
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I agree 2Many. I just tire of listening to people bitch about whatever the topic / problem of the day is without ever suggesting viable solutions or believing that they aren't a part of the problem. We have lost our ability to rationally discuss issues. We have lost the ability to see past our own eyes.
Either come together and solve it or shut the F up.
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#888966 - 03/15/14 03:04 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Smolt
Registered: 12/15/13
Posts: 70
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How's about we ban fisherman who live above Lacey from the Satsop, Nooch and Hump? You can have the Oly Pen.....
Fair is fair, you overfished your back yard so stay out of ours!!! best policy I've heard yet. only caveat i would add is that they get only the bogey, duc, and hoh. the rest should be as misguided has,stated. and yes assholes in sleds have no place on the satsop or nooch. seems there's a couple that handle the responsibility alright, but overall there are way more sled owners than rivermen.
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#888968 - 03/15/14 04:01 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Returning Adult
Registered: 09/27/08
Posts: 321
Loc: SWWA
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It's not the new launch..it is the lack of opportunity elsewhere. It'll get worse and then it'll get closed. The fish cannot take the pressure they are receiving here. That is exactly what I'm talkin about. Soon there will be no fish here just like up North!!!
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#888969 - 03/15/14 04:29 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
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How about sleds below west fork in bigger water, drift boat and toons above in the skinny water, each has about half the river to fish. This would create a safe environment in skinny water, and be just to all parties, or start handling it like they do in forks. How ever they have it worked out
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#888974 - 03/15/14 05:54 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/03/09
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Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
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As I recall boats on the water a county responsibility to govern. State can say no fishing from a boat but can not stop the use of boats for transport. Strange how that works.
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#888976 - 03/15/14 06:45 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 5003
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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How about sleds below west fork in bigger water, drift boat and toons above in the skinny water, each has about half the river to fish. This would create a safe environment in skinny water, and be just to all parties, or start handling it like they do in forks. How ever they have it worked out Yea right.........any high water, fish blow right thru, pass the West Fork water is clean, a lot lower, and fishing is fair from Tornow Branch to West Fork...... That's why everyone wants to fish "above the West Fork", well not everyone but lot's......
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#888977 - 03/15/14 06:57 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Returning Adult
Registered: 09/27/08
Posts: 321
Loc: SWWA
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It's not only the sleds but too many DB's. How many driftboats can a section of a small rivier handle?
Look at the Nooch for W S.... the bankies get frustrated from all the drifters, they in turn get frustrated by the sleds and so on & so on.....
It's too Damn crowded to be fun anymore!!!
Now that I have all of your attention:
I'm all for a viable solution but know that WDFW is the problem!!!
They have managed a truly renewable and enjoyable resource near to extinction.
Thus resulting into the minions engaging in passing matches when we should be hammering the problem and getting sh!t done.
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#888981 - 03/15/14 07:27 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Smolt
Registered: 12/15/13
Posts: 70
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How about sleds below west fork in bigger water, drift boat and toons above in the skinny water, each has about half the river to fish. This would create a safe environment in skinny water, and be just to all parties, or start handling it like they do in forks. How ever they have it worked out Yea right.........any high water, fish blow right thru, pass the West Fork water is clean, a lot lower, and fishing is fair from Tornow Branch to West Fork...... That's why everyone wants to fish "above the West Fork", well not everyone but lot's...... whaaaaah! sleds are [Bleeeeep!] tankers and should be banned from all chehalis tribs period
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#888984 - 03/15/14 08:08 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
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What I REALLY think is.......until the Native numbers increase.....
Satsop.....No Steelhead fishing West Fork, and all waters above West Fork.
Wynoochee......No winter run steelhead fishing above White Bridge.
Why have the rivers here face the major problems the I-5 rivers have????
Any hatchery fish that show at fish trap on Wynoochee or the hatchery on the Satsop......be killing and given to food banks.
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#888987 - 03/15/14 08:49 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Spawner
Registered: 03/21/06
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And drifter, just 15 years ago when the broodstocking was going on, What was different back then, not many above. Some but not many. The PS rivers would still close. Did the fish not blow thru then?. Okay maybe then, nothing above the West fork if the water is below 2500cfs, plenty of vis down below, and starting to skinny up ontop. Same with the Nooch, nothing above WB when water at black creek is below 1800cfs, water up top starts getting skinny then. Sleds have been to the bottom of boulder garden this year when black creek was 1200cfs and save was at 800cfs. Awful skinny. I love the water down below, but go up top to get away from situations, now the situation are migrating. Not all are problems, but a few ruin it for all. But this also goes for, all boats with no etiquette, you have the whole river, let the bank anglers and anchored boats have the water they are fishing,
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#888990 - 03/15/14 11:04 PM
Re: If you fish the Satsop...
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Spawner
Registered: 03/07/12
Posts: 781
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Just off the top of my head, here are a couple things out of many that could easily cure this (in no particular order). #1. Advanced Daily Access Lotteries (or first-come, first-serve access limits). #2. Rotating weekly calendars by fishing mode / platform (sled, drift and bank). #3. No sleds on rivers with less than (X) average total width as measured at the median / historical water height. #4. Anything goes designated Meat / Terminal Fisheries that are actually stuffed with brats (see the old Cowlitz B Run). The issue isn't that holistic solutions that work for everyone can't be found. The issue is different user groups that are only satisfied when all of their specific demands are met at the cost of all of somebody else's specific demands. The issue is that we are dependent on a government agency to think strategically and actually do some real work to fix something broken. The issue is a belief in personal river ownership without showing title. The issue is "this is my backyard, not yours". The issue is that everyone is a unique and special little snowflake and rules, laws, courtesy and methods of "wrong" styles of fishing are the other guy's problem. The issue is that only the other user groups are greedy, self-centered jerks that can only think about themselves. The issue is that we have a severe shortage of advanced, home based mirror technologies even in the year 2014. It's none of YOU guys of course. YOU are not part of the problem. YOU own a mirror. YOU are 100% correct all of the time. It's those other bastards fault and it can't possibly be YOU! Amirite? Several pages of the same ol' same ol' bitching and sob-story drivel and almost zero discussion on solving the actual problem. I want to say that I am surprised by this, but alas history has shown to be the great equalizer of expectations. For those who like the idea of a lottery system: Get a group together and have at it, I for one won't be a part of it, ever.
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