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#888135 - 03/07/14 04:58 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Todd]
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Got to love it . The community organizer in mom jeans has been owned on every foreign policy issue and his supporters attack GW as their only defense of his ineptness.
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#888137 - 03/07/14 05:22 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: ]
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Bush was inept. Bammers' inept. They're all inept and the reason being because we, as a voting populace...are inept. A break through will only come when a true DC outsider raises their hand. Until then, the race to the bottom continues, so back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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#888148 - 03/07/14 06:20 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: NickD90]
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Spanker, he started a war in Ukraine already between the Russians and the Ukrainians in case you missed it. Don't discount the costs yet it's just starting. With Russia , China and Iran on one side and the US , SA and Isreal on the other I am sure it will end well.
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#888163 - 03/07/14 07:04 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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I'm just relieved that those 30k troops aren't troops at all just well dressed local militia and that they are there to ensure the secession vote is all on the up and up.

I'm also relieved that any EU economic sanctions will specifically exempt London. Can't have the Russian mob bosses not paying taxes on their 10 million pound Piccadilly condo's or have their kids booted out of the private schools that Londoners can no longer afford. We wouldn't want the Russian 1%'ers to suffer!

And let this be a lesson to all the other countries. Boot out a corrupt Government and you just allow the rich countries to fight over who gets to be the next corrupt leader.

Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Georgia, Ukraine. Did I miss any? Next?

Why can't the 1%'ers just kill each other and leave the rest of us the hell alone?
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#888166 - 03/07/14 07:13 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster


Why can't the 1%'ers just kill each other and leave the rest of us the hell alone?



Because they have popular support from many based on the lie that you, too, can be one of them...if it weren't for those who are stealing your heritage and future from you.

Fish on...

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#888167 - 03/07/14 07:21 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Todd]
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I am surprised people have not started whacking the 1% Or making it real hard to show their face in public driving $ 500k cars etc. I suppose sitting in front of a tv with a half rack waiting for the un employment check has less risk.


Edited by Tom Joad (03/07/14 07:22 PM)
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#888172 - 03/07/14 07:48 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: ]
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I read an opinion piece in one of the UK rags laying out how the UK gov could sanction the Russian mob bosses in London specifically. Much of it was based on kicking their kids out of their private schools. Then the next day I read in that same rag that the UK would not support any EU sanctions that didn't exempt London.

After all we need the corrupt kids to learn at a young age what other corrupt kids they can trust in their adult professions. Is it any surprise Assad and UBL where educated at Oxford.

Throw in the Ivy League pipeline to the WH and Wall Street and they're not even hiding it any more.

See Hitlers comment below!
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#888175 - 03/07/14 08:02 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
I am surprised people have not started whacking the 1% Or making it real hard to show their face in public driving $ 500k cars.


That's not how it will play out. Any revolution will be led by 1%'ers who get pushed out of the "rule by corruption" club and are thus left on the sidelines as their peers gain power and wealth. Think
Washington and Jefferson etc. wink

There is a maximum sustained corruption level. That level is much lower in the countries mentioned above and god only knows what the cap is in the good 'ol USA.

Hell, Bertha could cause a revolution in some small countries smile
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#888176 - 03/07/14 08:14 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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I am talking more about people just getting fed up and going rogue. The system still works for far too many people to even talk about out right revolution.
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#888177 - 03/07/14 08:19 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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Also people are too well indoctrinated in our system and too invested in living in the box. Just look at fashion trends and entertainment. The fact that people pay money to see a Adam sandler movie and close to $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks and standing line to do it is pure proof that there is no hope for America.
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#888178 - 03/07/14 08:29 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
Also people are too well indoctrinated in our system and too invested in living in the box. Just look at fashion trends and entertainment. The fact that people pay money to see a Adam sandler movie and close to $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks and standing line to do it is pure proof that there is no hope for America.


Lol, never thought about Starbucks in that manner but it's true and funny.
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#888179 - 03/07/14 08:34 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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TJ, I agree.

It's one reason I thought the Hunger Games trilogy was brilliant. Give the average Joe enough food and entertainment and they'll ignore just about any evil. Sorta like the Nazis.

Although I'd substitute humanity for America.
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#888185 - 03/07/14 08:52 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
TJ, I agree.

It's one reason I thought the Hunger Games trilogy was brilliant. Give the average Joe enough food and entertainment (vodka, wine, beer) and they'll ignore just about any evil. Sorta like the Nazis.

Although I'd substitute humanity for America.


Edited by Rev. blackmouth (03/08/14 12:10 AM)
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#888187 - 03/07/14 09:00 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: blackmouth]
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Don't forget wine. Gotta keep the French at bay too smile
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#888194 - 03/07/14 10:34 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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Harmless sheep...but the higher ups have forgotten the only single rule they really needed to remember:

Hogs get fat, and pigs get slaughtered.

Fish on...

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#888205 - 03/07/14 11:52 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Todd]
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Amen as well.
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#888690 - 03/12/14 08:59 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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Interesting.....

22 U.S. Code § 8422 - Authorization of assistance
(a) International military education and training...
(3) Additional authority
Except as provided in sections 2753 and 2799aa–1 of this title, the second section 620J [1] of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (as added by Public Law 110–161) [22 U.S.C. 2378d], and any provision of an Act making appropriations for the Department of State, foreign operations, and related programs that restricts assistance to the government of ***any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by military coup or decree,*** and except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, amounts authorized to be made available to carry out paragraph (2) for fiscal years 2010 and 2011 are authorized to be made available notwithstanding any other provision of law.

Doesn't breaking the law have some consequences?

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#888778 - 03/13/14 01:35 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Driftin']
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That is Putins argument.

Obama and our allies would argue he abandoned his post after murdering his citizens and thus was a legal transfer of power.

As Obama said "Putins lawyers obviously see this differently than our lawyers."
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#888783 - 03/13/14 03:14 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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As I proffered, it is interesting....

Time will tell in this matter as to the Company's actions behind the stage curtain.

Sadly, things getting rather sporty in that region seems to be the inevitable outcome....

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#888786 - 03/13/14 03:25 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Driftin']
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The most important story surrounding unfolding events in the Ukraine is not the violent overthrow of the freely-elected Ukrainian government. It is not the American participation in that overthrow or the Russian reaction to it. No, the big story is much more ominous. The big story is that all major U.S. politicians, regardless of party, and all "news" media outlets, electronic and print, are deliberately lying to the American people about this event.
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