Actually true, and I am a VFW

Being labeled a Bush hater with no reason to hate. You just hated Bush because you were a hater and not only did you hate Bush for no reason you hate everything American and should move to Iran or Afghanistan or some place like that.

Bs SG you flailed with any information you could find to back up your non fact but feeling based belief . No one to this day anywhere has put together a factual and vaerfisble case that the Saudi coerced the us into attacking Iraq . That case is still being worked based on developments in Syria. You and hour friends belived something just like everyone else and went out and sourced anything you could to back it up. You were wrong on the facts bug right on the out come out of chance. Just like your economic spin is sourced from zero hedge. Pretty weak to claim victory specifically lacking condemnation of the current occupant of the White House doubling down on everything bush did .

Wtf? There were plenty of reasons for hating Bush Jr.
How about the war on the environment?

Are you a 'special' kind of liberal?

Right you are. I was just saying where I was figuratively 10 years ago in regard to the Iraq war for oil.

Once again you nailed it! now I just want to "nail" one of those...

It wasn't a war for oil then and it's still not a war for oil today. That fact proves that people that claim they were right about the Iraq war all a long were either toeing the party line or guessing. Most people guessed wrong and thought it was about Iraqi oil. It was about keeping the dollar as default currency for oil with out it our currency is worthless. Much much bigger than oil. Russia China and India right now are fighting to break that link.

An added bonus of the long, long list of lies used to justify The War on Terrah in Iraq extends far beyond keeping oil valued in US dollars around the world...it also was one of the greatest theft of trillions of US taxpayer dollars with the Military-Industrial Complex laundering the money thru the War on Terrah and transferring it directly into their pockets in history...probably THE biggest ever.

Fish on...

Todd

I always thought KK was speaking in hyperbole when saying you had your head stuffed so far up your ass that your windpipe and colon were one and the same. Apparently, I stand corrected.

Apkd A guy that has to go on the internet and ask others how to plant an apple tree has zero credibility on any issue. Along with speaking volumes about his itelleigence it also proves that the hardest day he ever worked was probably deciding what stack of papers to push from on side of the desk to the other.

Too much of a conspiracy for me Todd. It went the route it did and people figured a way to take advantage as they always do. It was not the motivating factor. I think this is some what proven by Obama's actions to continue with the bush era policies or even double down on them in some aspects. The money printing proves a lot too. For a party that does not believe in "trickle down" it's been there whole economic strategy .

Not a war for oil? OK ...I guess for people like you I should sit here and spend my time running through all the factors,including keeping the dollar as default currency, that motivated the beneficiaries of that war. To say the last and biggest of the easy picking oil fields was not a big part of getting control of Iraq and as much of the surrounding oil rich area is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as thinking the core agenda of the moneyed elite in control of the "two parties" is any different.

Iraq is the biggest beneficiary. China is the second biggest beneficiary currently taking more than half the oil pumped. Iraq is sitting on the 5 largest fields as it builds infrastructure to pump the oil itself one day. The petro dollar benefits every American not just the wealthy . Iraq was a threat to the Saudis they needed an army to stop that threat. Iran is a threat to the Saudis they need an army to stop that threat that battle is being fought in Syria. The Russians are helping Syria the Saudis need help stopping the Russians . That battle is being fought in Ukraine. See the pattern ?

So Shell,BP and Exxon, corporations that would never be in Iraq if we didn't invade, are investing billions to pump oil for China . Ok I get it now. Americans have to be the biggest suckers ever for send our military to be killed and wounded not to mention spending ....,um borrowing, trillions of dollars so Iraq could sell oil to China. I could say the same for doing that for Exxon,BP and Shell too. Well..I guess it would be OK if gas prices went down to one dollar a gallon in the USA....Not.
I predict that when production gets ramped up Exxon,BP and Shell will be the biggest beneficiaries along with a bunch of other foreign corporations on a lesser scale.
It looks to me like the Russians are getting a little pissy about the US expanding it's control over countries too close to Russia. Imagine if Russia was invading Panama or some other close to the US countries. Would the US just sit back and hope for the best?

Wall Street Journal 4/21/2014:
Companies including BP BP.LN +0.85% PLC, Royal Dutch Shell RDSB.LN -0.29% PLC and ExxonMobil Corp. XOM +0.40% have invested billions of dollars to revive oil fields battered by decades of war, sanctions and neglect. But Iraq's government has been slow to modernize the infrastructure to move that oil from wells to tankers.

American and Iraqi engineers struggled to boost output amid the violent aftermath of the invasion and U.S. occupation. The industry's big break came in 2009. BP and China National Petroleum Corp. signed a 20-year deal to boost production at Rumaila, one of Iraq's biggest oil fields, in an early bidding round. A year later, the country awarded new contracts to revive and expand several other fields, including the giant Majnoon, which Shell and Malaysia's Petronas are developing jointly.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304734304579514310330071386?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304734304579514310330071386.html

The military is just a goon squad for the Gubmint, and when we invaded Iraq "the Gubmint" and "Big Oil" were one and the same....and it doesn't matter where the oil goes so long as the money from it ends up in the Oil companies' coffers.

Wasn't all that oil supposed to make the war 'pay for itself'?

Fish on...

Todd

We certainly could do without the Military.

The Military has never done anything for us.

Sanctions should be enough to stop the Russian's from seizing the rest of Ukraine. I mean you see the way Putin jumps every time John Kerry, Joe Biden or Barack speaks.

Independent fishing environmentalist, or IFE.

Sorry to enter the jerkfest so late.

What about taking the fight to our enemies >

Where sport fishing management is concerned, we have met the enemy and they is us.