Went on-line to renew my boat tabs (just the boat, not the trailer)

Filing fee
Goes to county in which fee is paid.
$3.00

License fee
For general state programs & city/county marine patrols.
$10.50

Watercraft excise tax
Funds general state programs.
$257.00

JAY EFF SEE! $257 ! ! ! !

License service fee
Supports licensing services systems.
$0.75

Derelict vessel/invasive species removal
For removal of derelict vessels and aquatic invasive species.
$6.00

….

Registration of boats and implementation of the excise tax has clarified the taxation of pleasure boats and resulted in uniform treatment of all boat owners throughout the state.


JEEBUS!

Let's not confuse fees with taxes. In this case the total bite is $277.25 out of which $257.00 is a tax which goes to the general fund. Right? That makes the tax bite 92.7% of the total.

Personally, I'd rather pay for specific activities on a fee basis than taxes because fee money (dedicated accounts) are supposed to be spent for the designated purpose - unless the legislature decides to raid the dedicated account(s) which they have done with the RCO account the last several budget rounds to the tune of millions of $ which should have been spent on boating infrastructure IAW the law as generated via initiative.

Now, as to the assertion that we would somehow pay less overall under a system including an income tax I have to disagree. The legislature will get its money one way or another - the difference arguably is which group of citizens pays less and which pays more than under the current system.

Hmmm, that reminds me, I haven't ordered my new boat tabs yet. Better get on it. Thanks for the reminder Doc!

Charge more---Get less, typical Washington State

IIRC my boat tabs were $562 this year.

Had my sled built in 1984, total including the boat and trailer $87.00.
How can the state justify 500 bucks? Based on what? More people in the state? Well, then there are more tax revenues.
Sounds like another gouge on the user, and funds are being used in the wrong place!

We all need to pay our fair share. The guy who makes the tide go in and out has a family to feed.

my thought is that you should work extra hard this summer/fall to remove at least an additional $300 worth of hatchery salmon from the water to make up for the expensive tabs. that will make up for the high price of the tabs.... and i bet you'll be up for the challenge

Holy cow!

So if I decide to license my drift boat and put a trolling motor on it, I can look for to the same "opportunity" to pay that?

Is this a flat rate or varies by boat size? I know I could look it up, just too lazy at the moment.

Mine were over $600 for the first five years....after that they start to go down every year a bit. At least you use your boat in this state. My boat spends 99% of its time in Canada.

laughable at best.

I'm with eyeFISH on this one. I believe the state figures if you can afford a new or newer boat, than you can afford to pay the higher taxes. When I bought my Alumaweld SuperVee new back in 2000 I had the same eye opening experience but as the years went by it finally was reduced and got more "reasonable" until I sold it a few years ago. Recently I bought a 1989 Almar Sled which I'm in the process of redoing and making pretty which should turn out quite nice when I'm done. Went on-line last night after reading eyeFish's post and total cost to license boat.....................$20.00 plus some change. Sometimes old is better than new.

No to income tax.......been tried lot's of times in this State. Bill Gates dad, tried to get a "income tax" on the rich........but many of the smart voters in this State saw that as "foot in the door".....and the way the tax winds blow in Olympia, wouldn't have been long until income tax was the accepted way.............grrrrrrrrrrr I think not!!!!!!!!

It isn't the expense of the tax that bothers me a tenth as much as the way it is grossly misspent.

For comparison:
Wyoming - Boat registration: $70, good for 3 years. Trailer: $7 per year.

For comparison:

Wyoming - sucks

Washington - doesn't suck






Agree with JTD. It isn't the taxes that rub people wrong - it's the way the money is pissed away that rubs people wrong.

Ahh the state of Washington and the never ending fees to live here! I said it before that when sh!t becomes of value, the people in Washington will be born without a$$holes! When I was still working, I crossed the 520 bridge 5 days a week and it cost me $120.00 a month. The first bridge was $0.35 per vihicle and $0.10 if therre were 2 or more. That's some serious inflation. If the money was spent in the right place it wouldn't piss me off so much!

Wyoming sucks? I guess it depends on if you have lived in Washington so long the moss covers your eyes. Lived here most of my life and my family came to the Chehalis Basin in the 1880's but this is not the best place to live by any means. Puget Sound used to be a great area until the massive growth so it is pretty much on the way to trashed. ( things natural that is ). What sucks is Washington weather West of the mountains on about any level.

Thanks for the reminder. I need to get my new tabs. They're a little cheaper for a boat from 1978.

Update: $25.25 or about 1% of the purchase price.

nothing personal doc but

What else sucks is when you go to the eye clinic to have cataracts repaired w/o insurance. Then one doesn't heal and the eye doc says no problem we can fix that with a laser and it is painless and only takes about 10min. His estimate was in the $800 range.............you should see his home.

Paid $102.00 last week for my 2004 18' LT & trailer.....not bad I thought. I was thinking it would be more.Good luck,

SZ

PS, Back 2004 I wasn't very happy with the price though.

Paid $70 this year for a 2004 20' Intruder that I bought new in 2005...like others I wasn't very happy the first year that I had to license it...

What services are "climbing" besides our financial obligation to our government...?

If the money is pissed away I don't trust those same pissers to tell me what a reasonable amount of money is in the first place.

That is a bit of a straw man argument and here is why. The government isn't competing for your business like an eye doctor does. The market values quality eye care, therefore, it costs quite a bit. The market has little influence on licensing fees/taxes and those collecting those fees/taxes have no incentive to be efficient with that money. Hence, the "leaning on shovels" problem.

If you wanted a nice house like an eye doctor might have (after paying off many thousands of dollars worth of medical school debt) perhaps you should have become a doctor.

Don't let envy eat you up, life is too short.

I didn't hear anything about the taxes going up on our boats??? is this for one county? I just did our salt water boat last month...looking at buying a new boat here now if I can find the right deal but I heard nothing about this...that is going to put a ding in my wallet for a new one...I hope its just your counties??

Just ordered my boat sticker. I think it's going down, $25.50. I think it's just the boat, with no motor, since the motor cost twice as much as the boat.

You kicked in the $5 for the parks too didn't you doc?

LTF boat taxes are based on their value like cars were before 695. New boat=$$$, old boat=$.

I kinda "forgot" to buy them the last few years. Hasn't been a problem.

Good luck on that continued crap shoot.

The tab fees are utter bull$h!t, KK

It shouldn't cost any more to register a 10 yr old boat than a brand new one. Sure, charge a premium based on size/horsepower… more wear/tear on the roads, larger carbon footprint on the environment. That would make sense…. and it should apply to an old boat as much as a new one.

This is just more liberal-a$$ progre$$ive taxation.

The guy$ buying new boat$ are already getting a ginormou$ bite out of their a$$ the fir$t go around on the $ale$ tax.

Ya, when it comes to the State nickle and dimeing me on top of renting my property from them for ridiculous amount my ethics are somewhat challenged, but I didn't intend to be bragging.

Really? You're going to give advice to someone else about their content? That's pretty f'n funny coming from the biggest schit stain on this board.

inb4 move to
Itlbf
. .

Just because we are 27th out of 50 doesn't make it right. We are all being taxed to high to support a heavy load of public sector jobs.

Oh!

That made me laugh!

I find it ironic and kinda irritating that any guide that makes their living off the taxpayers (hatchery fish) is complaining when they're asked to give a little back to the tax base. You folks are getting a free ride IMO.

Seeing how you stayed in the US when Bush was in office I think I'll stay and work for change.

Listen to what? Some bitter old hag who can't handle someone having a different opinion? Look in the mirror before tossing out names because they'd apply directly to the person you're staring at.

Go hop on Rachel Maddow, you're her type.

Bob, thanks for the free entertainment!

Having Christmas dinner with KK must make Cousin Eddie seem like a saint

Did I hit the wrong button and end up on the "dark side"?

Most of us would just like to know our tax dollars are being well spent. That would change much of the conversation.

A 14 billion dollar light rail system that isn't designed to remove cars from the road. It only pirates riders from the buses that are currently available. A tunnel boring machine that isn't moving and was only decided upon to increase waterfront property values. Etc, etc...

Nobody is disputing that fees and taxes are a necessary funding source for us to live the best country in the world. But, people should be able to question what those dollars are being used for.

Washington probably has THE MOST regressive tax system in the country... Oregon's probably the least. The less you make the more you pay in taxes and fees. If you earn around $20k/year you're paying around 17% in taxes and fees...if you make $300k or more you pay 3% or less....Bill Gates Sr and Jr tried to address this by pushing for an income tax...but people weren't buying. There's a reason billionaires live here...low tax for them....high for you... now back to your regularly scheduled programming...

:yawn:

You shouldn't have stayed up so late if you're yawning.

Id love it if half people walking the street in Seattle were billionaires. Just in dollars they are individually paying taxes equivalent to thousands and thousands of people that work a 9-5 for the median wage. These are the people that you want to penalize for living here in Washington?

Wyoming has no inheritance tax and welcomes people with big cash. The do as I say not as I do liberal big shots all have homes in jackson hole so they can pass money down tax free. Prove your there six months a year and your kids can have the same advantage.

The banned user guy obviously pays no taxes and due to the vocabulary etc there's little chance he isn't on assistance from the state paid for by the billionaires he ignorantly hates.

Taxation is by definition destroying liberty. We put up with it because some well meaning, long since dead, people in the 1930s did not have a crystal ball to see that programs with good intentions become larger and more manipulated by people over time. No one in the United States paid individual income taxes before 1913. Then as with bill gates srs promise it was only the very wealthy that would pay. Fast fwd to the present and who bears the brunt of the taxation in the United States today? The middle class. Trusting people (that's all the government is, people) that newly thought up taxes will remain limited to some social class is idiotic when you review the history of such promises.

Also eff you to people that say we aren't as bad a other states so we should feel good. Two (or 49) wrongs don't make a right.

Insults are what people without principles fall back on when they are unable to explain the views they are borrowing from other people without principles. Good luck to you.

So how about this for an idea to pay for hatcheries? At the end of the year you send in your punchcard and a check for the amount you owe. For example, if it costs the state $5.00 for each adult coho that returns and you caught 10 coho, you owe $50.00. Of course the commies would pay a lot and the C&R guys would pay very little . . .

I suspect Doc would end up paying more under that system than he does now.

Just a idea. Yeah I can see lots of issue with this, but its food for thought . .

Instead of insults, or madeup outrage, here are some facts.

1. Washington is #27 in tax burden in the country. Not great, but far from the worse. You'll also note that many of those "great" states in the tax burden chart are being subsidized by those of us who live in the other states...they are the worse "Takers" in the country.

Yeah, that's right...Texas is a socialist state, redistributing wealth from us on the coast to pay for their programs. They're far from the only one, though...

The Socialists in Wyoming are taking from the rest of us, too...along with Alaska and many other of those bastions of "personal responsibility".

2. Washington is also amongst the "least corrupt" states.

http://www.stateintegrity.org/

Washington gets a B- on "integrity". Again, not perfect...but above average.

Way past Wyoming...which gets an "F". Alaska, Texas, Idaho...those bastions of responsibility again?

They all get a "D-".

3. Washington is a microcosm of that, too...if you live in eastern Washington and bitch about taxes and the like...

Shut up.

We over here on the west side are paying your taxes for you. You are socialist takers, too, just like all the states mentioned above.

4. Don't like the traffic in Seattle? You've clearly never spent any time in...

Chicago
Atlanta
Los Angeles
San Francisco

...or most any other metropolitan area in the US. I've had the misfortune of driving in all those places, and plenty more, and traffic is far worse in those places.

5. Don't like the weather?

The weather is why we have green things, and rivers that make salmon and steelhead.

Prefer desert? There are plenty of bass and tilapia in Texas calling your name...just don't forget you get to be a Socialist if you move there...but that cuts both ways, most people who whine about "socialism" only whine about it when they perceive they are the ones giving it...they fuckin LOVE getting it.

6. Finally...don't like Washington?

Don't let the door hit your stupid ass on the way out.

It's far from perfect...but it's far better than most anywhere else I've ever been.

Fish on...

Todd

Can you even fuckin' read?

There is no mention of hatcheries in the original post...just complaining about taxes, followed by three pages of whining from folks who should hurry up and move to Texas if they don't like Washington enough.

Fish on...

Todd

Glen Beck published a dictionary?

I suggest you don't.

Fish on...

Todd

I don't know anything about beck.

This was explored by Supreme Court Chief Justice john Marshall in
McCulloch vs Maryland.

Don't internalize the current republicans bastardization of the terms classical liberal or libertarian. Republicans and democrats just have different tie colors. They are the same. Neither will limit the ever expanding size of government but one claims to working tirelessly to do so . Example: Eric cantor is the poster child for claiming to be pro business small government and then doing the opposite behind closed doors. He was in by tea party believers and look at hi voting record!

It's easy to be confused about what liberty means if you accidentally internalize the [Bleeeeep!]
Coming from the self entitled narcissists currently living in dc.

Apparently some folks want to live here since Seattle is the fastest growing large city in the US.
Maybe they are just moving here so they can bitch about it.
SF

It would do plenty of Washington residents some good to remember that...or, like I said, they can move to the awesome State of Texas where you can be the beneficiary of the redistribution of tax dollars that everyone in the Lone Socialist State of Texas gets, fish for tilapia and ditch pickles, and clear brush 200 days a year like Dubya.

Sounds like fuckin heaven on earth compared to the shithole that Washington State seems to be.

Fish on...

Todd

Can I put the ban hammer on all Californians?

Oh wait, I don't have to ask, as I live in Seattle. We rule the state.

All y'all can GTFO!

Word to Chuck.

There are 49 other states that would love to have you if Washington is so f'n bad.

Be quiet Hank - The Coogsfans think they are part of Iderhoe, not Warshington.

Have't had the heart yet to tell KK that it's not the PotatoCup......

Jail?

Oh no wait, that's where our players come from.

anyone that doesnt like this state hasnt seen what it really has to offer...

thats just my opinion and all though...

.

Are you married?

Lol :-)



Fish on...

Todd

I got to get off of here. I do not recognize where you were standing to take #4.

Go North, and West...and when you can't walk any farther...look down

Fish on...

Todd

Nice pics Chuck.

I've water skied on a 90 degree day, snow skied, and steelhead fished on the same day. No plans on going anywhere. Except maybe a week or two on S Andros.

Thanks Todd. Sadly I have yet to stand on that exact spot.

I believe you can live here and still think that the state can do better at spending tax dollars.

Is doc yours?

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so you bitch about someone bitching... funny how that works... you can kick rocks at everyone else, but when someone kicks a pebble at you, you lose your damn mind and go into a drunken rage...

either you are the other KK, or you are his brother, you talk the same, act the same, think your better than everyone the same, and even have the same infatuation with me, IE your sig line...

people get excited when they buy a new truck, and find out it costs an arm and a leg for diesel for where they drive it, and kinda are like WTF, i didnt know it was going to be THAT bad... its common in society... thats what hes doing, and there is nothing wrong with it...

get off your bouncy horse and grow up...

Grid collapse is next....

everyone grows up at some point or another... i actually regressed when i came around these sites, and acted like a child... so im going to act like myself instead, its easier for me and i dont get as upset...

moderating my friends page has taught me alot of what the mods go through here (yeah ) so i can understand the stupidity of the internet a little clearer, its actually worse than i thought...

KK 2.0, learn to spell before you talk sh!t and call people names, it just makes you look dumber than originally thought..

if you need help getting off that bouncy horse, i can stop it from buckin on ya, i know those lil things get quite wild and frisky sometimes...

calmn down you internet grouch... jesus...

go fishing sometime, thats what these sites are provided for... not wrinkled up scrote's that have nothing better to do than talk sh!t to people they dont even know...

keep it real KK 2.0, dont be jealous that eyeFish has that boat, and can complain about the cost of having that boat, because well, its his boat... go buy one yourself, then you can see it for yourself, and even have something relevant to even type on this site...

sh!t id even take you fishing with us, actually no i wouldnt...

go fishing, and STFU for once... (but you are going to ignore that, and go delete your posts like you are some kind of computer savant, when you probably cant even figure out how to turn off the light in your bedroom without help)

why dont you just show some respect for anyone, because without respect, you dont even have any balls, which means you arent a man, and that pretty much explains everything....

I'm with Stam on this one...

When undies get bunched up, there's only one thing to do......














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