In this neighborhood are the bully boys so tough that initiative 594 cannot be discussed in public?

Well of course there is always the possobility that you all are in agreement with this initiative. ???

594 is a joke and is impossible to enforce, would cost way too much money, and is a stupid concept to begin with....

that would mean that the president of the US couldnt come here and borrow a congressmans gun to shoot trap...

if people vote yes on this, they shouldnt be allowed to vote...

and before anyone comes off with a wise crack, i dont vote, because my vote means sh!t, the last time i voted i voted for Bush, and look where that got me...

Please,

Do not be that easily mislead, you should realize that the dems know that almost every vote that they can buy counts.

What's the going price on votes? Daddy needs some new wading boots

Silly thread.

no on 594

Already voted - Yes on 594, No on 591. Am I under the illusion that these measures will make a difference? No. But it appears that we have a new dynamic in this State with initiatives. They no longer are just used to make law, they are designed to send a "message". In this case, the message (if the votes are as mine) is to the 2nd Amendment cartel (NRA, Washington Arms, 2nd Amendment Foundation, etc.) that you can not continue to protect 2nd Amendment rights through the continual fear of confiscation. Reasonable measures of control (which the US Supreme Court has already approved) do not equate to the slippery slope where guns get confiscated.

I also get the fact that both sides of this debate resort to emotional arguments to push their position. Evidently, that sort of approach works in the US. Go figure.....

Well if you mean Cosmically I suppose that you are most likely correct, however if you mean a difference regarding gun rights you are wrong, as they already have made a difference, but considering the source, I suppose your comments should be considered 'Par for the course'.

+1000

Little doubt about passage with the happens this week. Just keep on giving up freedoms in the name of safety.

Will I lose this if I vote yes?

A couple of observations...

We as gun owners have to be really careful with the "criminals will do it anyway, so it's no use to make it illegal" argument...because that applies to every single law ever made. Murderers know it's illegal and do it anyway, so do heroin dealers who sell to teenagers and white collar criminals who steal all of our retirement funds.

That argument sounds really great until you realize that it's meaningless.

I appreciate the slippery slope arguments, but sometimes they make gun owners look like we don't give twoshits about anything except our guns, and in a lot of cases it looks that way because it is true.

There's a legitimate fear about giving an inch and them taking a mile...there should also be a legitimate fear about not giving an inch so eventually they will take ten miles, fuckyouverymuch.

Next, being stupid and ripping on gun control advocates, some of which have been the victims of gun crimes, only makes you look like a stupid redneck...which is fine, if that's what you are, but it won't help the rest of us gun owners who wish you would just shutthefuckup.

Need some concrete examples? If you want to speak in favor of gun rights read anything that Dogfish ever writes about it. If you want to sound like a jackass and screw the rest of us gunowners with your profound stupidity just write most the stuff that most of you do.

Fish on...

Todd

Each and every time this type of crap comes up I would like to hear how it would help.......anything. I should not have to prove it would not take my rights away with examples.....You should have to prove it will help the status of where we are now. Facts are it won't. Just more hoops/regulations that are put on us. All those hoops/regulations equal more money and power for them.

This country has gotten so pathetic with giving up things for protection. Turn on any news outlet any night and they have on some POS Pol from one of the "Parties" talking up new BS to protect us. Makes me need to change the channel. This is no different. They are just trying to protect us by keep the guns away from the evil doers around every corner trying to get you. Dems have guns and school shootings-Repubs have terrorism.

Every POS Repub pol I hear talk of terrorism make me want to puke. Give up a little more of your freedoms because the terrorist will get you. How many have been killed in the last 10 years in the US by terrorists that they must trample on our rights for. I would bet more die per day in the US in car accidents than have in the last ten years in terrorist attacks. More killed by lightening. But F--- they need more money, more power and more freedoms to protect us.

Same crap with Dem Pols and guns. All to protect us. F--- you. The news outlets that wash their balls or stinky C's are just as bad. Everything is about fear and keeping the sheep in line. What a generation of Pu--ies we have become. Our forefathers would not have stood for it.

Rant over as I need go hide under my bed with my house wrapped in plastic. Ebola is out there you know. Maybe they should raise our taxes as the CDC must not have enough money to protect us.

Book it Dano - Todd is correct but likely is pissing into the wind.

I think that 594 is a perfect example of what you say. I personally don't have a problem with requiring background checks (possessing a cpl should count as a background check) for purchases of firearms. I do have a problem with having to go through an FFL for every 'transfer'.

The initiative is poorly written.

Seems like a no brainer to me right there.

Just as I have no problem throwing people in jail who do not secure their firearms and let someone steal/take/"borrow" them and a crime is committed, or a horrible accident happens, I have no problem holding those who lend out or sell their guns to someone who does not have a CPL accountable, too.

Something else I should have put in my last post...anyone who compares guns to spoons, cars, or hat racks ought to shutthefuckup, too. You sound like fuckin idiots.

Fish on...

Todd

Only a dumbass would vote for a law that is 100% unenforceable!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law that can never be proven in a court of law!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law that has no funding source to ensure it is enforced!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law where 27 of 39 State Sheriff’s have come out publicly against it!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law that could make millions of legal Wa state gun owners a felon overnight!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law that could make most law enforcement officers a felon overnight!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law that would require Government’s permission to loan or sell a firearm to a friend or family member!!
Only a dumbass would vote for a law that has absolutely no intent of keeping guns out of felon’s hands or in reducing gun crimes!!

So, of course, this law will pass because you, my friends, live in a state mostly populated by dumbasses!!!!

So you truly believe we need Government consent for me to lend you my shotgun??

Or that if I where to bonk you upside the head with a spoon, steal your gun and then use it in a crime that you should be charged a felony??

There is no requirement to pass a background check or carry a CPL to possess a shotgun, and if you hit me with a spoon and stole my gun it would be kind of hard to hold me accountable for that.

Before you get your schit all turned inside out Greg note above that I didn't say that anyone should vote for this initiative...what I did say is to stop sounding like an idiot when you make your arguments against it, which is advice that you clearly are not interested in taking.

Fish on...

Todd

I want to see what happens if both gun initiatives pass.

if you buy a shotgun at a store like alot of people do, you have to fill out the form for the NICS (FBI) check which is a requirment for you to purchase the firearm no matter what it is and walk out of that store with it... usually you wait 5-7 days before you can come back, with a CPL you can walk straight out and home with it....

you know this im sure tho...