Spokane, Whitman, and Asotin Counties all won for 594. Yakima, Benton, and Walla Walla Counties all had less than a 55 - 45 count against. This was not a case where the rest of the State went one direction and King County went another. For me, it's a proud day to be a Washingtonian!

Uh---------O.K. it just proves to me that ignorance has no borders.

The whole state, conservatives and liberals alike are vulnerable to their own emotions. And that can over-ride logic when it comes to voting on an initiative like 594. Everyone wants to reduce gun violence. And background checks prevent felons and mentally disturbed people who are in the database from purchasing guns via any seller who is required to perform background checks. It all seems like it should work, so long as you don't consider that the overwhelming preponderance of gun acquisitions by felons and the mentally disturbed is not through sellers who perform background checks. And having 594 as law won't change that outcome one bit.

But at the emotional level, it seems like a win. After all, the proponents beat the NRA! Only time will show that it has no effect on reducing gun violence. It's possible that reducing gun violence wasn't actually the goal of the proponents, but that's a different story.

Sg

True dat....geeeez

Salmo, I don't disagree. However for those of us who believe that the NRA is an organization that does not have the best interests of Americans at heart, a defeat for them is a good thing.

Yikes. Anyone who is so partisan they would pass a law making law abiding citizens criminals just to have a 'win" against the NRA needs their voting rights rejected. And often I would agree, f--- the NRA but damn there has to be a better way. I can not believe I am saying it as I hate that they overrule the people but since they do it all the time anyway....I hope this is rejected by the courts.

I also voted no on both measured.

eddie you are an idiot!!!!

You guys only have yourselves to blame. You should've campaigned a lot harder on PP. We all know the power of this forum.

Maybe a few vote no 594 avatars wouldve bolstered the cause. You failed yourselves!

Tunacanner,

You don't come off as very bright yourself by calling Eddie an idiot. He has his reasons, and many of us disagree with him. Obviously a majority of voters did agree with him, however.

Sg

Isn't that the way it is. If you don't agree with me you are stupid.

We live in a state where any laws regarding gun rights are going to be skewed towards more restrictions, rather than less, if most voters are left to their own devices.

If we as gun owners want to buck that obvious disadvantage then we need to convince people who would otherwise vote for more restrictions to go against their kneejerk reactions to vote for them, and come over to our side.

To that end, the majority of gunowners who make the most noise are complete fuckin idiots like Sol Dunce, and spend exactly zero time trying to convince anyone who gun owners need to convince.

When any law restricting guns is proposed gun owners flip out and say stupid schit like "Guns don't kill people, people kill people!", and compare guns to spoons and hammers.

Guess how well that works?

Then laws are proposed to restrict people, rather than guns, which you would think gun owners would jump all over, especially considering they say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" all the time.

Do they? Of course not...instead they answer with the one single answer that they have to every single issue that ever comes up...ever...in any conversation about guns:

We need more guns.

Guess how well that works?

Back to the folks that need to be convinced to vote against their kneejerk reactions...they're already put off by the obvious hypocrisy in the typical gun owner's argument, and how do gun owners respond to that?

They call them idiots, and fools, and say all sorts of stupid schit that proves that they are probably not stable enough to even own a slingshot, much less a firearm.

Hell, idiots like Sol Dunce probably shouldn't even own a spoon.

Guess how well that works?

When the great majority of the country sees a problem with gun violence, and the great majority of the country wants background checks and other things to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally unstable idiots, then something is going to change.

What is going to change is completely up to gun owners...if they want to effect useful change that they can live with then gun owners better damn well get their asses to the table and come up with something...anything...other than "we need more guns"...because that argument will never, ever, ever work.

Unfortunately gun owners can't stop stepping on their own dicks, they intentionally alienate the very voters they need on their side, and they act like complete imbeciles while they do it.

And then they complain about it...when it's their own fault.

Now my gun rights are further restricted in Washington State, and I don't fault all those darn liberals or anyone else who voted to do so...that's what they do, and what they will always do until another viable alternative is proposed.

No, I fault idiots like Sol Dunce, and the rest, who act like liberal plants in the debate, because they are far more effective at causing the restriction of gun rights than any liberal could ever be.

Ever.

Thanks.

Fish on...

Todd

If every gun owner presented as reasoned and cogent arguments as Todd and Dogfish (Salmo as well although I don't know if he is a gunowner), then I would be fine with unfettered access. However, that is not the case and it is led by the NRA that believes that any restriction on guns is "They're coming to take my guns away" which, by the way, has proven to be financially very successful for them. I believe that they need to be taken down a notch or two and this Initiative presented a very effective way to do that. Just as it is the right of a law-abiding citizen to bear arms, it is my right to vote in what I believe is my best self interest and in the best interests of my Country. And that I will continue to do.

For those that think I'm an idiot, please know that I've been called worse in a much more effective way. And yet somehow I survive.....

Well of coarse you and every other legal voter have that right. And I have no doubt that you and many other voters will continue to vote believing that their vote is in their best interest, and (or) in the best interest of their Country. I do however question the ability of many voters to be able to understand either what is in their, or their Country's best interest. Of course possessing that ability has no bearing on the right to vote, which is why campaigns are run the way they are.

You're not convinced yet????

The basketball czar?

There is no need to worry, as once our new Attorney General is confirmed she will surely reign in Obama and put an end to his lawless ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6Qe9DJp4A [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6Qe9DJp4A[/video]

That guy is an idiot. Two minutes of research found this:

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/docs/firearmsOnlineSlides.pdf

sat·ire
noun
noun: satire

the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
synonyms: mockery, ridicule, derision, scorn, caricature;

That covers pistols only. There are other types of firearms.