Show up with long leader, black yarn and healthy jerk every 3-5 seconds = beating all about the head, neck and chest. Problem solved.

I can support that proposed rule.

The motion has been seconded by Dan S. All in favor?

The rule is coming to the skok as well..

along with a bobber ONLY section (that is kind of a funny side note)

Look the thing is this; the traditional "biting" fisheries may not actually catch as many fish in the end compared to the snagger/flosser crowd. HOWEVER the "biting" crowd has a much higher hookup to land ratio and in a system with some native fish to protect (NOR or not), lowering our encounter rate is the absolute name of the game. BUT how it stands now, with the current run timing, flows, temp, amount of fish vs. The amount of holding water and the amount of pressure that place will never fish like the hump or satsop or etc...and it shouldnt! The plants should be way lower, but that's another story

Only soooo much can be done to turn the tide of ethics by WDFW, our the flosser delemna, but other things are at work here.. I think they realize that people are still gonna snag and floss with a 48 inch leader, BUT when they rip after that bump the hook should hit the fish sooner and (the idea is) it should be further forward in the head/body to coincide with the "in the mouth to gill plate forward" grey area.

Lowering total encounter rates and getting anglers off the rivers with fish(fish legal to retain) is the key to actually increasing season length and opportunities in some of these rivers.

I hope it passes and is well enforced...and I hope it disgruntles a lot of people into changing their ways and thought process...because I can buy fresh or cured eggs online and bobber gear cheaper per fish then a drift flossed fish ...the method is way easier, funner and can be done by anyone...it's like twitching It still boggles me that people don't look at the facts

I hate being over regulated. 2' leader is plenty for swinging. That rule wont stop chit. I use a 5 footer for herring..bait trailers also. Its been a long time since i fished either of those rivers. Miss the nate fishin in the N that use to be going on RIGHT NOW. When that ended..I stopped going there.

while i normally like regs that take something away from the snagger crowd, i doubt this will have any effect whatsoever. snagging is illegal to begin with, and if we had any enforcement, we wouldn't be discussing these asinine restrictions anyway.

then again, if it's something to get me 7 days a week again on the nisqually, i'm all for it.

If they are serious about stopping snagging just require circle hooks in freshwater.

I will enforce that rule.

Shouldn't that rule include setting them on fire too?

Normally I don't like new rules/rule changes but this is the greatest new rule ever!!! I totally support it!

If you think you have a reasonable suggestion you can propose this via their website: http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/

Just click on the "submit comments" in the area you want to comment on

I have. It was rejected-not even put out for comment. May try again.

Yeah - how about not? Circles, while great for certain things, are not the preferred hook style for many applications (think Jigs). It's already against the law to snag. We don't need hook control.

I don't think this regulation will have much of an effect just because I don't think most snaggers can count all the way to 48. Maybe if the rule was changed to read "no leaders longer than 8 tall boy beer cans" it would be more effective.

after just looking it it again, why do they keep putting the cutoffs at Nov 30th? especially up high where the majority of the Chum are, which arent many anymore, they let people use barbed hooks (i usually dont, but i have) and then can jump up their leaders to 40 feet if wanted....?

all good if they are trying to protect the Kings, but why let it go after Nov 30th when the B runs come in? why not protect them and the Chum?

they should make it 48 inches through Dec 31st and call it done....

and why isnt the Carbon named? gonna let them all get bottled up in that creek and let people snag and floss the sh!t outta them?


always forgetting things....

Voights Creek mouth to Puyallup mouth should be the zone they use....

More rules more closure dates.. sporties stand devided doomed!

All the snaggers on my river, the north fork of the Lewis, toe the line of legal. The reason being is because fish and game doesn't want to write tickets for any thing that isn't blatant snagging. The reason for that, or so the gamies tell me, is because it is hard to prosecute. So cut the leader length down and it will be harder for them to snag, toeing to the of lega,l or easier to write tickets because of the new rule. Again I think its the best idea i've heard in ages!

a shorter leader makes it easier to snag...it keeps the hook lower where the fish are, there is less resistance when the hook is set from the swivel to the hook point, ect.... look at what the tribal guys that snag use, they dont use 40 foot leaders, and there is a reason for that....

snagging will still be around, because that is intent... flossing will be curbed to a point, but people will eventually figure out ways around it like always....


also, what about spoon and spinner fisherman? will they be affected?

The whole point of the long leader is to drag it thru as many fish as possible with each pull thusly increasing your chance to snag one. They don't floss so much as snag at the meat hole of the lewis. There is no current to use to floss at that spot. If the short leader worked better then they would all use it. Do the tribal guys use a leader at all or just lead with a hook attached? Spinners and spoons dont have a leader attached. It attached to the main line.