wow...

cops are not trained to avoid contact with suspects, what led to an "altercation" was the morons whacking him with a skateboard...

As far as my boys are concerned, if they put aside common sense and give into peer pressure, and do something as stupid as these morons did, I would not blame the cops... I would blame myself for not instilling enough of a sense of right from wrong and actions and consequenses...

It's really easy to arm chair quarterback a situation from an emotional point of view, as you continue to do. Your idea of the proper response to being Assaulted by a blunt object with no other officers on scene is obviously not in agreement with mine or the officers legal right to defend himself. You take no position on the threatening behavior of the offenders while stating that Police are accountable to the citizens and blatantly state the job is not dangerous, even when the statistics are contrary to your position. It's great you are engaged in your community, but you again are in disagreement with the department. You do not state any reason for the expanded size of the dept. such as population growth, enhanced documentation, higher priorities and new criminal enterprises that cut into staffing hours.

actually hank, most likely he'd have been killed right away at the hands of the cartel, federally, or US border patrol trying to get back in...

A couple of citizen's that the police should be held accountable to. Here is their track records at 21 and 24 years old:

Andre Thompson’s criminal history includes guilty pleas in Clark County District Court to supplying liquor to a minor, minor in possession of alcohol and bail jumping in 2012, according to court records.

In another case, the same year, he pleaded guilty in Clark County to obstructing a law-enforcement officer while a third-degree theft charge was dismissed.

In 2013, he was cited in Tumwater, Thurston County, for operating a motor vehicle without a valid license and having no valid operator license. In April, he was ticketed in Lewis County for failure to wear a safety belt.

Bryson Chaplin’s criminal history includes a 2012 guilty plea in Clark County Superior Court to taking a motor vehicle without permission, according to court records.

He also has an extensive juvenile-court record in Clark County, including guilty pleas for second-degree robbery, taking a motor vehicle without permission, theft and assault.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news...tings-of-2-men/

Hookup,

Lots of assumptions on both sides as the facts have not been vetted yet. My big question is how is it in the publics interest to escalate a simple shop lift to this level? How does the public benefit? How many people were harmed by shop lifters in the past 10 years ? Would the officer have attempted to take the suspects in custody without a gun? What would have happened if he waited for back up? Followed them or taken a less confrontational approach . Could the public have been served just as well?


On the other side of the coin Why don't the police sit outside every bar in town and wait for drunks to drive off they kill 10's of 1000's every year but they sit on on ramps during rush hour to bust commuters speeding? Why does King county Sherriffs office not respond to property crime calls under $10k in loss but a simple fender bender draws 9 squad cars and two aid units?

you must not frequent bars in Bellevue often... the only thing for the night shift cop to do is hang out outside the bars and on the on ramps to 405...

came out of the pumphouse one saturday night at 2 am with all the cops in town lined up ready to nab the drunken bastards staggering thru the front door

Rob Roy, you are an idiot and embody everything wrong with the state of this country at the moment.

What I am hearing you say is the officer should only do his job if he can do it in a non-confrontational way and with a full staff. And further he should fail to protect the business that had its employees assaulted and items repeatedly stolen by the same offenders in the interest of the ensured well being of the offenders. Is that correct?

Taking your approach the officer should just carry a crystal ball so he can predict what the offender will do, what weapons he has and how long it will take his back up to arrive.

I don't have to carry a gun everywhere in case the opportunity to shoot someone comes up Dogfish. Your fear based view of the world and desire to live in an armed Police state are what's wrong with the world. Hold on to that gun tight there's a boogey man out there somewhere.

Thank you Andy for possibly opening this persons mind. Unbelievable how so many support criminals.

Not really if you think it through which as it's been pointed out you never do. If crime is down in 10 zip codes in a county but up in one could over all come be lower based on averages. That's high school logic not even CC level mr Wizard.

the US has 4.4 % of the worlds population and houses 22% of the worlds prisoners. We also have the most police to population ratio by a long shot. Let's double down on what got us there instead at looking at a different way of doing things.

If we follow Rob Roy's advice and the apparent intentions of the nearly 400 people who demonstrated in Olympia yesterday following the police shooting of two theft suspects, we will succeed in making Olympia a much safer community in which to steal beer. Is that really what we want as our community standard? Good grief, what's going on in the gray matter between the ears of people like that?

I don't want a community that supports the notion of actions have consequences where the action can be that if you steal beer the consequence is free drinks. I much prefer an action - consequence relationship where if you steal beer (or anything else) you have a reasonable chance of being shot and killed, thereby implementing Darwinian selection favoring people who are smart enough to decide not to steal.

Hank,

Violent crime is down significantly nationwide; however property crime is way up in WA state. I think one likely and highly probable reason for the increase in property crime is that our society has decided to shift its available enforcement resources to violent crime (logical) and away from property crime. That, coupled with society's reluctance to allow citizens to shoot and kill thieves who don't pose a violent threat, creates a condition that practically encourages property crime. The observable results certainly speak to and support that conclusion.

As for the Mexican who was shot by cops in the Tri-Cities a few months ago, the facts of the case are different. Altho the man has a bit of a record, his crime immediately prior to being shot was that of throwing dirt clods at passing cars, and then running from police when ordered to stop. He didn't pose a threat to anyone nor try to assault police officers, so the investigation continues. There's a good chance it wasn't a "clean" shoot.

Sg

Hank to quote KK you are a dumbfuk . Show me where I said I wanted more police? I believe I said that was the Sheiffs solution. Also show me where I said they were over paid. Also show me where I said it was not dangerous? I believe I said not as dangerous as hook up claimed. It's impossible to have a discussion with you so I won't .



SG , you are in Hank territory. Show me where I said I thought there should be no consequences? I simple said escalating a shop lift to a shooting is poor police work and there are better ways to handle it.

The brothers escalated the shoplifting to assault when they threw beer bottles at the Safeway employees, and then again when they attacked the officer. They were the ones who made that choice. Not the officer.

Bryson Chaplin has 3 criminal issue that aren't juvenile since 8/18/2014. Andre Damon Thompson has at least 6 since 8/22/2012. A number of their offenses occurred on the same date, so it isn't their first time acting as a criminal team.

and escalating a shop lifting to assaulting a police officer is piss poor criminal behavior... and down right dangerous to boot

Hank only a dumfuk would read what I have posted and say I want more police presence . I want less. People should be responsible for their own safety and we should expand self protection rights. I believe we live in a police state. I want fewer police harassing innocent citizens and would like more focus on the 5% of the population that commits 90% of crime.

A while ago in Old Town/Portland an old guy was hosing off the sidewalk in front of his shop.
Some punk transient didn't like the wet sidewalk and beat the old guy with a skateboard.
Put him in the hospital.
They got the punk.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Man-sentenced-in-Portland-skateboard-assault-Dorson-247062521.html

It can be a weapon just like a lot of innocent-looking objects.

I was saddened to hear an incident of this nature had occurred in my home town. The sadness returned when I heard both of the perps had survived. I don't have the social worker mentality; don't believe in rehabbing repeat offenders. When a fleeing thief perishes after wrapping a stolen car around a pole, I don't send flowers.

Criminals, both common and uncommon, put an incredible strain on a civil society. They are "weeds" and should be dealt with accordingly. Time will tell whether the officer in this incident deserves a commendation, or not.

Some sage advice:
Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be... petty thieves, thugs, and arrest resisting azzholes.