#932671 - 06/22/15 03:25 PM
Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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I've always thought that he should never be shrined in the HOF. It came out today that not only did he bet as a manager he also bet while he was a player which to me is even more shady. He'll have a hard time after this latest news of being elected. He sure was fun to watch though. Discuss..... Link to his stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rosepe01.shtml
Edited by Sol Duc (06/22/15 03:29 PM)
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#932672 - 06/22/15 03:30 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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I don't know for sure. If he bet on games, and it can be shown that he actually affected the outcome in order to win bets, then keep him out. If he didn't change his play to affect the outcome, then the suspension/ban to this point has probably been enough. Same with Shoeless Joe. But, that fact that the druggies actually tried to change how they played the game should keep them out.
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#932673 - 06/22/15 03:38 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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When I visited the HOF I was surprised at how well represented he was. All sorts of bats and gloves and other memorabilia for all of his milestones were in the museum section. The only thing that was missing was his bust in the Hall section. Since he's acted like a total asshat ever since he was banished I think that's enough.
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#932676 - 06/22/15 03:49 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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When I visited the HOF I was surprised at how well represented he was. All sorts of bats and gloves and other memorabilia for all of his milestones were in the museum section. The only thing that was missing was his bust in the Hall section. Since he's acted like a total asshat ever since he was banished I think that's enough. I agree, if he would have come out when the SHTF and apologized this probably wouldn't have snow balled and with most people having short memories and wanting to forgive he probably would be in some day. He was and is his worst enemy. He is banned for life, does this mean he can't even go to any MLB stadium or anything associated with MLB? I'm pretty sure that's the case....does anyone know for sure?
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#932678 - 06/22/15 03:55 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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just means he can't be employed or associated with any MLB or minor league team. Along with being barred from being inducted in the HOF. He can go to a game anytime.
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#932684 - 06/22/15 05:04 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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betting doesnt make you hit....
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#932686 - 06/22/15 05:39 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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#932687 - 06/22/15 06:41 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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Let him in.... As long as it didnt effect the outcome of games.
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#932688 - 06/22/15 06:52 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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He has 4000 hits. I mean come on. Let him in.
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#932692 - 06/22/15 08:06 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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In, or baseball is a fuckin' joke.
Yeah.
It is,
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#932740 - 06/23/15 03:09 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Exactly baseball used to be a mans game to play and watch . Now like most sports its run by a bunch of squat to pee's . A guy named Fay investigated Rose for Christ sake.
The should let him in the hall of fame and allow whisky shots and cigars in the dug outs during games.
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#932802 - 06/23/15 09:25 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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No HOF.
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#932831 - 06/24/15 12:00 AM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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Ty Cobb beat a guy in a wheelchair and was quoted as saying " I don't care if he got no legs" and he got in,on his baseball acheivements,not for his character. Therefore baseball,being a game of stats and numbers,Rose should be a [Bleeeeep!] shoe in. Enough time has passed. Let it go.
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#932847 - 06/24/15 09:06 AM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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As long as he bet to WIN let him IN!
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#932876 - 06/24/15 12:32 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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Only Penny has the BanHammer power to ban Brady. I say put Rose in the HOF. He earned it.
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#932890 - 06/24/15 01:32 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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As long as he bet to WIN let him IN! this.
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#932894 - 06/24/15 01:54 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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every athlete is looking for an edge, some take one route, others take another....
happens from Drag Racing to 10 speed racing, Tennis to Ping Pong...
everyone cheats....
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#932896 - 06/24/15 02:01 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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Why even keep records then? So "everyone cheats" makes it ok? Something...something if your friends jumped off a bridge...
Ok then...good to know....carry on with the long downward slide into moral oblivion.
GET OFF MY LAWN!
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#932899 - 06/24/15 02:06 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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no, im just saying if you dont expect everyone to cheat, you probably should watch something like Poker...
oh wait...
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#932909 - 06/24/15 03:32 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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Betting to win means nothing as you can still pay off opposing players to lose. Not likely in Baseball, but technically still possible.
Call me the Last Scout Boy if you will....I just don't think we should reward bad behavior.....and I love "Charlie Hustle". Sorry Charlie.
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#932910 - 06/24/15 03:41 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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the LBS cheated, he shot that motherfvcker in the head remember?
no stiff arm, no juke, just a .45 to the nugget....
Bo never would have done that...
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#932914 - 06/24/15 03:53 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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FFS, Nicky.
He bet on his own f'n team to win.
Who told you that? Oh yea-Petey himself. He's such an honorable and honest man. Lets count the lies.......... 1. I never bet on baseball 2. I bet on baseball but never my team 3. I bet on baseball but only as a manager 4. I bet on baseball but only as a manager and only on my team to win 5. I bet on baseball when a player but only for my team to win And now you'll believe lie #6?? I agree with Nick. The asshat is banned from baseball! The lying POS should always be banned from baseball!! And guess what. Anybody who bets on games they are being paid to play should be banned for life. Too easy to get the Mob's grimy claws into these idiots.
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#932916 - 06/24/15 04:09 PM
Re: Pete Rose....HOF or not?
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When lying POS's open their mouths, oh I don't know, I tend not to believe them. It's called critical thinking 
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#932917 - 06/24/15 04:26 PM
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Punishment has never been a deterrent to crime. The government puts the "mob" to shame. They shake you down for a cut of everything you earn and spend your money on and people do not seem to mind.
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#932923 - 06/24/15 06:11 PM
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When lying POS's open their mouths, oh I don't know, I tend not to believe them. It's called critical thinking I'm critically thinking nobody told you he bet on his team to lose.  Hank arguing with you is like arguing with a fence post. Every time he's asked about betting he's answered with a lie. If you want to believe the one last lie that hasn't come to light yet that's your problem. But yes. Pete Rose has not personally told me he betted on his team to lose so congratulations in your [Bleeeeep!] up twisted way of thinking you win 
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#932924 - 06/24/15 06:39 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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No - you do not reward breaking the rules or you further erode the ethics of the game. A-Rod, Bonds, McGuire and Sosa also got a lot of hits and didn't hurt anybody - do they also get to get in? Brady shouldn't either for that matter. Cheating and doing wrong is cheating and doing wrong. It's black and white - there are no shades of gray here. Sheesh...have some standards people. America is doomed.  America is doomed because it's full of fuckin' idiots that can't tell the difference between cheating by juicing up with roids, and betting on a game in which your bet has no influence on the outcome of the game. Like NickDumbass90, for instance.
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#932925 - 06/24/15 06:43 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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When lying POS's open their mouths, oh I don't know, I tend not to believe them. It's called critical thinking I'm critically thinking nobody told you he bet on his team to lose. Hank arguing with you is like arguing with a fence post. Every time he's asked about betting he's answered with a lie. If you want to believe the one last lie that hasn't come to light yet that's your problem. But yes. Pete Rose has not personally told me he betted on his team to lose so congratulations in your [Bleeeeep!] up twisted way of thinking you win Hey dumbfuck - did you EVER see Pete Rose play like he wasn't desperate to win? Neither did anyone else. Christ - you wouldn't know critical thinking if it was beating lumps in your skull.
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#932926 - 06/24/15 06:49 PM
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So Petey personally told you he never threw a game to keep the mob off his back?
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#932928 - 06/24/15 06:57 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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So Petey personally told you he never threw a game to keep the mob off his back? My own fuckin' eyes told me he never threw a game. Your vision may have been compromised by your head being in your ass.
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#932929 - 06/24/15 06:58 PM
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Then why doesn't he just shut the [Bleeeeep!] and apply for reinstatement?
Maybe because he's a lying piece of [Bleeeeep!] who's best interest is to keep the facts locked up.
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#932930 - 06/24/15 07:01 PM
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 I just saw this.
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#932933 - 06/24/15 07:55 PM
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FFS, Nicky.
He bet on his own f'n team to win.
Who told you that? Oh yea-Petey himself. He's such an honorable and honest man. Lets count the lies.......... 1. I never bet on baseball 2. I bet on baseball but never my team 3. I bet on baseball but only as a manager 4. I bet on baseball but only as a manager and only on my team to win 5. I bet on baseball when a player but only for my team to win And now you'll believe lie #6?? I agree with Nick. The asshat is banned from baseball! The lying POS should always be banned from baseball!! And guess what. Anybody who bets on games they are being paid to play should be banned for life. Too easy to get the Mob's grimy claws into these idiots. I don't know why more people don't get this?
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#932936 - 06/24/15 08:06 PM
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If lying qualified one for a lifetime ban most people would be sitting home.
Edited by Incognegro (06/24/15 08:07 PM)
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#932939 - 06/24/15 08:29 PM
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If lying qualified one for a lifetime ban most people would be sitting home. Sitting at home with a 37lb cat flaming away on the DS.... That alone should qualify for a lifetime ban.. Petey played the game like everything was to lose....everyday. If his betting didn't effect the outcome of the game in a negative way then who gives a fuk. The problem alot of folks have is that he is a perpetual liar. That alone muddies the water
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#932942 - 06/24/15 08:37 PM
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I always thought his all star game incident was much more offensive.
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#932953 - 06/24/15 10:52 PM
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rose will not make the hall in his life time. after his passing he will be added then. That's probably true.
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#932958 - 06/24/15 11:20 PM
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Who was better Bench or Pudge? I'm going Pudge.
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#933000 - 06/25/15 01:01 PM
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#933006 - 06/25/15 02:23 PM
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Who was better Bench or Pudge? I'm going Pudge. Yadier Molina
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