I seriously think she is toast, she's just not likeable and with all the scandals she's been in, I don't see it. Who do you think will get it?

Now to the Republican nominee. The Donald has a lot of momentum right now, it sure is refreshing to hear a non insider that will stand up to China and securing the border and the mess in the M.E. Due to his wealth, he's unlikely to be bought by any special interest groups.

I don't think we can risk having another Milk toast POTUS.

I know it's really early and a lot can change. I'm not a huge fan of Trump, but I think he might be the right guy for now. If he surrounded by the right people around him I think it would work.

We have got to get this border secured NOW! Discuss....

Bernie saunders all the way.

How old is that geezer?

Sol duc isnt a big fan of trump but he thinks he's the right guy for president? Hell of an endorsement right there! Anybody else, even Hillary, would beat Donald Trump if he got the republican nomination.

I'm still waffling on Trump, like I said it's still early.

its Sanders.

The D nomination is Hillary's to lose. I don't think Bernie can get enough moderate support to be nominated. But, like I said, Hillary can find a way to lose it just like the R's found a way to lose in 2012.

As for the R side, I don't see any of them really taking hold yet. Trump is simply non-viable but makes for good press coverage. No depth.

I don't think the R's have a real leader/candidate yet-especially if they want to win the WH. For the D's, it is either Hillary or somebody who really hasn't started yet (AlGore/Biden??)

she will get the nomination and go on to win

care to put a fifty on that?

She may win the Dem nomination, but she will not win the Presidency. I predicted as much this last spring the last time this topic came up and I'm still sticking with it. It's even worse for her now than at that time....if that's even possible.

The Dems are in BIG trouble. They have no bench, as everyone is afraid of the Hill. Sanders is a dyed in the wool socialist and that will never win a general pop vote. O'Malley is a OK, but kinda flaky and weak and a rather no name with zero war chest. Who else is there? Nobody is willing to DARE run against the Hill and that's weakened the Dem field and position overall. It's hard to have a Dem debate if there aren't many candidates and the only one of true note is currently being investigated by the FBI. Also of note and as an Independent, I find this hilarious: the Repubs used to be the party of the "Old White Man" and now the Dems are running (3) "Old White Men" (includes the Hill, sorry she's a man...deal with it). The Repubs have the diversity of choice right now. That's funny stuff right there.

The only way the Hill wins anything is if Trump runs 3rd party and splits the vote. Which is why the GOP establishment is chittin' down their leg at the moment.

Oh what fun!

Spot on, Nickster.

To draw a bigger audience for the next GOP debate, they should schedule it during primetime, and call the program... "America's Got No Talent".

Wo cares who runs for prez and gets elected they are all liars and puppets anyway. I'm more concerned with whether Hunter Pence is going on the DL

Trump...That said, I don't care much for politicians. Btw I voted for Obama. There I said it. I feel better now...carry on.

Yes, Hillary will get the D nomination. The fix is already in. The D Party loves Hillary, or at least the Clinton name, if not her directly. The D Party cares about retaining power, not the U.S. public interest. So it doesn't matter that the Ds have no players on the bench.

The Rs have at least turned out a long bench. Unfortunately Trump is the most talented player on the team. I didn't think Trump would stay in the race because 4 years as POTUS would cost him so much more when not running his business empire on a daily basis. But he's still in. Almost makes me glad that Wall St and the global corporations run the country instead of the president.

the Republicans should let Trump host a reality show to find our next Republican nominee... "Celebrity President"

He'd just fire everyone and introduce himself as the next prez.
Jeb Bush would cry on axe day.

Very brave.

Obviously you have more character than anyone in the race.

Remember The Hill might be in some serious legal trouble...the FBI said they will be able to recover the emails she wiped clean.

The FBI is full of schitt.
They won't know until they try.
If some fool did a quick, high level wipe "format" and the area of the disk was not over-written, they may be able to find something.
If someone did a multi-pass low level wipe and then the disk was over-written it would be hard to recover anything.
They don't call it DoD Method for nothin'.

I think that the hard drives were physically destroyed and the servers got new hard drives before the seizure.
You have to grab that stuff quick and in this case there was plenty of time to do anything imaginable.

Hills is teflon.

And if the FBI thinks they don't have to answer to politicos, then you'll understand how the 9/11 attacks took place even though the FBI and CIA knew all about the hijackers.

Which reminds me...

You know won't happen? Just about anything SD and Hank say. Their records speak for themselves.

Of course Hillary will get the nomination. And Jeb will get the R. And Hillary will beat Jeb.

Despite being RetHook endorsed and faux-thoughtfully considered by SD, considering Trump is laughable and only goes to show how horribly positioned the R's are in the race. The debate was a great example as well. I expect Trump to do well on the dark side for a while before he gets washed aside, at which point, Hillary will take the limelight here because, while the dems will put her in office, the R's will continue their bizarre obsession with her while their train goes further off the rails.

And, yes, they are all crooks and sacks o'.

Here's my conspiracy theory on the democratic nomination.
Hillary's email baggage get's to heavy for the dems to carry so she drops out. Warren's been bought off not to run with the promise of a high level position. SoS or VP but that's off the table now. Gore sees the door wide open with Hillary's fall from grace and throws his earth friendly hat in the ring. The dems end up with Warren, (Hillary without the baggage,) and Gore, (Bills third term,) fighting for the nomination. Win win for them. Gore gets the nod and asks Warren to be his VP.

We agree on your last sentence AP, but I think its going to go the other way this go around. Either way, we are all screwed. Cheers!

yep

Some of our national security interests were stored in a bathroom closet. Think about that for a moment.

As much as I hesitate to say it, Trump is right and our Foreign counterparts are much smarter than the hacks we put up.

Secretary of State, a fvckin' bathroom closet and some people want this person to be in control of red buttons? I think not.

And that will seal her doom. Book it!

Trump is just a bombastic Obama--- all rhetoric and no substance.

Would that make Trump "all change and without hope?"

The next few months will be a roller coaster for all of 'em. If you look back at this same time in past elections, the situation often changed dramatically by the time the primaries rolled around.

Nobody really knows what's going to happen in the next 5 months; Trump's helicopter could crash with him in it, either Hillary or Bernie could have a massive stroke, and some illegal alien with a Johnny Jihad complex could systematically take out all the Christian Repub. candidates.

Fun to speculate, but that's all it is at this point.

As for Sanders, this country will never nominate a Socialist for President. It'd be like pissing all over the graves of the many tens of thousands who gave their lives in world wars to keep American free.

With as much dirt as the NSA has on Hillary and the Clinton's you've got to figure she's the frontrunner

Your missing the fact that the NSA recorded and stored those e-mails real time. The whole FBI thing is just a reminder to Hillary that they own her ass.

Now that you mention it, I think this might be The Donald's latest, greatest money-making venture. After decades of being one of the buyers, it's finally occurred to him how much more he could gain by being the seller. Brilliant!

Hillary wins the primary, and eventually the general. I don't see how any other outcome is possible. Not saying I like it, but I do think that's the way it will go down.

I also predict further attacks on the Middle Class and increases in corporate profits, no matter who wins. Nothing too bold there....

Were talking about entitled POS's, they think their above the law.

...and they're correct.

Biden/Obama

Scott Walker is the next pres......bought and payed for by the 1%.

So can Biden be Prez and Obama vice Prez?

I suspect that Biden could be Prez and Obama VP but I don't think he could succeed him should Biden die. We'd get Boehner!

So, the perfect solution for the R's is to make sure Biden/Obama run and win, eliminate Joe, and then run the whole show.

How 'bout Biden/Michelle Obama? It would be one giant step for mankind up from the McCain/Sarah Palin nomination, and would make it twice as difficult for the GOP to get their "Boner" into the Oval Orifice.

A giant step?

He is a special interest group!

The Republicans have really dug a deep hole. They've spent the last 8 years trying to pull Obama down and yet the economy is recovering, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, General Motors all recovered. Remember how the Republicans said those were ridiculous moves? (Loaning them money.) The unemployment rate in my county is in the low 5s. The country in general has the lowest unemployment rate in decades. Now they are trying to pull Hillary down and it will backfire like so many of their screw-ups! As I have said all along people need to do the research from reliable sources. It should be said I am not a big Hillary fan BUT no one has the overall experience she does.

Colon Powell said the other day that he and Condie Rice used their personal e-mails in the same way as Hillary has. No one will EVER satisfy the masses completely so it's a sort of pick the best of the worst. We have a president that actually gives a sh!t. He may not be right on all matters but his intentions are good. The thing that is funniest but also ironically sad is the very people that vote Republican (with the exception of the very wealthy) are the ones that get bent over the worst! They are a party of protecting the wealthy and of course big business. Their regard for the future is minimal. It's all about the money and the money RIGHT NOW!

I refuse to be labelled as a Republican or Democrat. I'm conservative in some areas and liberal in others. We should probably dump the whole party system and vote for the person and not the party. The vote should be the popular vote and no other method. The people need to decide.

This is why the country is in the state its in , people belive the propaganda . What are your reliable sources NBC? The economy in real numbers has shown the lowest growth under any president in history. real GDP is negative under this govt( I won't blame Obama for the whole thing it's both parties) . True unemployment is 30 + % with over 90 million people out of the work force and all time record numbers on disability. Inflation is also astronomical most things that people need to live are not included in the inflation calculation. Almost all of the formulas used to calculate performance have been adjusted. Only three things in the economy have been showing growth growth 1. Govt printing money, 2 govt Spending, 3. Govt using printed money to covertly buy stocks snd prop up the markets to create the illusion of economic strength.
Hillary has never done a fukking thing, foreign policy is a disaster because of her, she cannot even manage her marriage . She is no more qualified than the rest of the asshokes running. The only reason any of them get anywhere is the country is full of useful idiots that swallow and don't think.

" yet the economy is recovering, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, General Motors all recovered. Remember how the Republicans said those were ridiculous moves? (Loaning them money.) The unemployment rate in my county is in the low 5s. The country in general has the lowest unemployment rate in decades. Now they are trying to pull Hillary down and it will backfire like so many of their screw-ups! As I have said all along people need to do the research from reliable sources. It should be said I am not a big Hillary fan BUT no one has the overall experience she does.

It's also why Trump is popular. He is nothing more than a big FU to the whole process. No one cares where he stands on the issues, no one cares what he would do in office they just want to blow the whole shat house down and start over.

No irony there.

Us and Them, that entire post is directly off of Fox News...and only Fox News viewers believe it...they work themselves into a lather, think they are "real" Americans and that everyone thinks that way...and then express genuine surprise when they find that they are in the minority.

Trump's "popularity" is making the GOP the laughingstock of the world.

Again.

He probably won't get the nomination...but would get annihilated in the general election if he does.

Fish on...

Todd

Shirley, I was jesting in the previous post. What should really happen in 2016 is the courts should give the Presidency to Al Gore. Administer justice and replace the one that was stolen in 2000. Right a wrong. Why wait a hundred years for history to sort it out, and some future Congress to issue Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda Al an apology posthumously? Let us not treat the man who invented the interweb the way we've treated black slaves, interned Japanese, overworked Chinese, oppressed Native Americans, and Walmart associates, in general. The rallying cry for the 2016 Presidential election should be, "GIVE IT TO GORE!"

In case you've forgotten: http://www.michaelparenti.org/stolenelections.html

Classic responses from wanker and Todd attack the messenger not the message.

Do yourselves a favor go to https://nces.ed.gov/partners/fedstat.asp

You will find links to US gov stats . Look at actual GDP for all presidents by year. Back out Govt spend for each year and tell us who has the lowest historical GDP numbers. You also have to account for changes to how GDP is calculated because the current admin changed it in 2013. Ask yourself Why would that happen?

Do the same for employment go to the BLS pull the abstracts and go back and calculate it how they used to do it . Be generous and do it the way they did it under Bill Clintons admin.

Do the same for inflation. U.S. The old method prior to 1980. Why would food , fuel, be left out of the inflation numbers.

Now let's look at real wage growth over the last 10 years. Maybe that's why most new car sales are actually leases.

Take a drive down through tikwila and Kent and look at all the empty warehouse spaces and shuttered business. How could that be in such a strong recovery?

One last thing gooey claimed that the republicans all opposed TARP et all. You all claim that the rich republicans always want to rape and pillage the little guys why would they oppose TARP QE etc when by all accounts the 1% has benefitted 1000-1 over the 99% because of these programs? Seems logical if they wanted to FUk the little guys that they would support it, no?

If Fox News has been saying this ,which I doubt they have you should start watching it. I seriously doubt they have because they are invested in the same system as the dems. They just want to spend tax money on something different.

Labor participation rate



http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000


66.2% jan 2008
62.6 % July 2015

Quick math says 12m plus people are not working since Obama took office. Boom! The economy is so strong they all retired and are living the dream.

To be fair I doubt it would have been much different under Romney . Regardless he would have had to spend the trillions for little real difference. Our economy is driven by consumerism now not manufacturing so the base line is approaching reL unemployment once you stop the spending. Probably half the population would not be working at that point. If anyone has kids or grandkids I feel sorry for them if they don't have millions in trust.

They attacked the messenger because he's (you're) a fuckin' idiot, Elvis.

So fu.ck off.

The economy has performed best with a Democrat in the White House and the GOP in control of Congress over the last 7 or 8 decades. One party in control of both has not turned out well.

You never bitched about food and fuel not being used to calculate the CPI when a Republican was in the WH because you're a GOP ballwasher. They aren't factored in because energy prices are automatically reflected in the price of everything else, you fuckhead...........and it's been calculated the same way for more than 30 years, so stop pretending it's some conspiracy to make Obama look good.

Your intellectual dishonesty is hilarious. Get the GOP cock out of your mouth.

"The economy has performed best with a Democrat in the White House and the GOP in control of Congress over the last 7 or 8 decades. One party in control"

Meaningless historical point. It was good until it wasn't yay! Kind of like your life.


"it's been calculated the same way for more than 30 years,"

You are just above ignorant so this is a lie not an error or an I don't know. It used to be a COGI it's now a COLI. Fuel used to be on the basket along with food now it's not. Does that sound the same to anyone not from Shelton? Raise your hand if it does.

So it's the same only different only if you are a stupid FUk.
Look it up Kunt and learn something.

I'd look up c.unt, but I already know it's your assface there with the definition.

Whine about the inflation calculation again, drippy cu.nt. Maybe they'll change it because you sniveled like the bitch you are.

No they won't - because they know nothing will keep you from being the crying pussy you are.

What sounds the same to me is you making excuses for being a faggot, when all you'd have to do is shut the cocksucker on your face, and nobody would notice.

Go fu.ck yourself, you old pussy.

Unemployment......what a fukin joke. Try running a business and finding qualified, skilled people with work ethic! Too many lazy, worthless deadbeats out there who can't show up on time and want top pay for no effort. There is a ton of work out there for motivated people....

The economy won't fix itself when the available work force is worthless.... Outsourcing and Mehico....in

Yes... but the problem is, you need to find a ton of "high paying" non-skilled work for the unmotivated...

Skatehook said he wouldn't work for anything less than 25.00 an hour. And won't travel more than a few miles from his trailer.

I think you meant walking distance...


hillary voter for sure... "Change you don't have to work for"

Exactly.

Brett Baier reported this tonight. Would be more than enough to hang anybody else...


Vid at the Link...!


WASHINGTON – A U.S. official says the FBI has taken possession of Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails, a few of which have been deemed to contain classified information.

The official is not authorized to be quoted by name and requested anonymity.

The official says the FBI recovered two thumb drives containing the emails from Clinton's lawyer, David Kendall.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley says two of the emails, which traversed Clinton's insecure home email server, were deemed "Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information." That's one of the government's highest classifications.

Clinton is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination for president. She has faced criticism over her use of a private email address and home server while secretary of state.

Her campaign and her lawyer have not yet responded to a request for comment.