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#946532 - 01/11/16 12:42 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: Todd]
Bent Metal Offline
Carcass

Registered: 01/09/14
Posts: 2298
Loc: Sky River(WA) Clearwater(Id)
Originally Posted By: Todd


Can you believe this fruitcake used to be a cop?

Fish on...

Todd


I guess if I had to deal with the worst 10% of public everyday, I would be building a bunker, and making noises in the woods to attract something that I hoped existed...
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#946538 - 01/11/16 01:16 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Rich, the key to chit hitting the fan are allies, you can never have too many. Also buy about 6 1 ounce pure gold dollars to bribe the Canadian border patrol to flee into Canada. thumbs


Should they be the Canadian ones eh?
Canadian Gold
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#946541 - 01/11/16 01:22 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee

A good overview of what's been transpiring.
It appears the butthurtness comes from the feds changing their rules on subsidized grazing.
Generations of western rancher's business model has included government subsidies, now the feds have started to back off the idea federal lands need to be managed for the benefit of subsidized cattle grazers.
I bet people losing their food stamps could relate.

http://www.heraldandnews.com/breaking/wi...9c7a0d4dc7.html

Your point of view depends on what side you butter your bread.

If you buy a Tesla you don't mind the gubmint giving you a $7K subsidy.

If you grow sugar you don't mind tariffs on imported sugar keeping the price high.

If you buy a ranch and the grazing fees on federal land are set at a certain price, you might be a bit miffed when the gubmint raises the fees. Especially if you think the gubmint is raising the fees with the express intent of driving you off your land by making it too expensive to make a profit from raising cattle.

I'm not endorsing the actions of the whack job Bundy bunch, but I can at least understand their point of view.



You would be correct "if" the feds charged more than the going rate, and they are not, in fact it's way below fair market value, hence the subsidy brand.
Here's the economic impact of the subsidized grazing industry.

http://www.publiclandsranching.org/htmlres/fs_grazing_economics.htm

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#946545 - 01/11/16 01:28 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Originally Posted By: Todd
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Originally Posted By: RICH G
even if you are a nuckle head..


Irony is thick.


Very.

This is why we need mental health screening, background checks, and information sharing between the two before issuing permits.

Can you believe this fruitcake used to be a cop?

Fish on...

Todd

Yeah, I bet the criminals would oblige with all these new laws.
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#946547 - 01/11/16 01:30 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: GutZ]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Originally Posted By: GutZ
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Rich, the key to chit hitting the fan are allies, you can never have too many. Also buy about 6 1 ounce pure gold dollars to bribe the Canadian border patrol to flee into Canada. thumbs


Should they be the Canadian ones eh?
Canadian Gold

Maple leafs will do the job. Gold is gold.
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#946557 - 01/11/16 02:13 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13458
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee

A good overview of what's been transpiring.
It appears the butthurtness comes from the feds changing their rules on subsidized grazing.
Generations of western rancher's business model has included government subsidies, now the feds have started to back off the idea federal lands need to be managed for the benefit of subsidized cattle grazers.
I bet people losing their food stamps could relate.

http://www.heraldandnews.com/breaking/wi...9c7a0d4dc7.html

Your point of view depends on what side you butter your bread.

If you buy a Tesla you don't mind the gubmint giving you a $7K subsidy.

If you grow sugar you don't mind tariffs on imported sugar keeping the price high.

If you buy a ranch and the grazing fees on federal land are set at a certain price, you might be a bit miffed when the gubmint raises the fees. Especially if you think the gubmint is raising the fees with the express intent of driving you off your land by making it too expensive to make a profit from raising cattle.

I'm not endorsing the actions of the whack job Bundy bunch, but I can at least understand their point of view.


Close Hank, but not quite there. First and foremost, the land in question is federally owned public land. The federal land management agencies have multiple use management mandates, not single use, subsidized grazing mandates. The management plans are subject to change. The grazing fees are subject to change. The rancher who went into ranching depending on leased grazing lands, and a static price model, well, let's just say he had a very poor business plan.

And unlike our concern over CA Central Valley federally subsidized irrigation water that grows 25% of the US food supply, these rugged individualist Marlboro cowboys dependent on subsidized grazing land produce less than 3% or 2% of the nation's beef supply, depending on the info source.

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#946562 - 01/11/16 02:18 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
They are all rugged individualists who would be out of jobs if they weren't suckling the Gubmint [Bleeeeep!] like the socialists they are.

Fish on...

Todd
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#946573 - 01/11/16 03:03 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
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Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4517
Ranch.


It's more than something to dip your vegetables in.

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#946578 - 01/11/16 03:22 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Illahee Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771


Maybe it's like the Marlboro man's welfare check just got smaller?
Quick let's take over the wildlife refuge and demand it be turned over to "the people".
So how do you give the people back their own land?

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#946583 - 01/11/16 03:34 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
You'd be very wrong about that, old man...I've bucked a lotta hay in my day.

We didn't all grow up in the city in California, ya know.

Besides...just because it's tough work doesn't all of a sudden make them "not socialists" when they are spending all of our tax dollars on our public lands to do it.

Fish on...

Todd
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#946620 - 01/11/16 07:24 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
RICH G
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How bad do things have to get? Haven't you noticed that being called names and having my sanity put into question does not bother me all that much. Thats where you go when you have nothing else, can't debunk it can't prove otherwise, you attack the persons character in attempt to discredit them. So you can feel better about yourself and extinguish some of your fears.

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#946621 - 01/11/16 07:27 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
RICH G
Unregistered


It's alright I don't hold your ignorance against you. It's just sad that you seem to hold something against me??

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#946622 - 01/11/16 07:30 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Piper
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Originally Posted By: RICH G
How bad do things have to get? Haven't you noticed that being called names and having my sanity put into question does not bother me all that much. Thats where you go when you have nothing else, can't debunk it can't prove otherwise, you attack the persons character in attempt to discredit them. So you can feel better about yourself and extinguish some of your fears.


when you put it that way, maybe you should run for president...

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#946632 - 01/11/16 07:57 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Uh, never.
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#946636 - 01/11/16 08:03 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
How bad is it, Rich?

I get paid every couple weeks. When I go to the gas station, they have gas. When I go to the store, they have food. When I use the cash machine, money comes out, and people at stores accept it as payment. I haven't missed a meal EVER if I was hungry.

I think you're looking for things to wet the bed about, just like people have been doing since 1929.

Does it ever bum you out to predict disaster and have it not happen? I suppose if you wait long enough, you'll end up being right - or your paranoid grandkids will.
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#946640 - 01/11/16 08:09 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: Dan S.]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
(Dan S) owns another.
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#946659 - 01/11/16 09:02 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
RICH G
Unregistered


It's all good until its not anymore..... Either you see it or you don't.

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#946660 - 01/11/16 09:04 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Post again when it isn't.
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I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#946666 - 01/11/16 09:35 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
April Fool

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Says the guy who ruined Redhooks life ! rofl

Skate will blame anyone and everyone for his miserable life.
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#946669 - 01/11/16 09:46 PM Re: I bet you pole smokers are still blind? [Re: ]
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
I've never felt loved here. cry
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