Some fisherman surely do litter and parked on the road which caused issues, but the problems aren't entirely fisherman related.
I've seen many non anglers camping and partying at access areas, especially during the summer. They contribute to the problems / issues and access areas getting closed. They are deaf to the concept of leave no trace.
SF

You want to argue they were right to close it? Okay. You want to argue that's THEIR land? Cool. Just seems to me if they're going to profit from selling exclusive access to fish on that land, the public shouldn't foot the bill to stock their private playground with hatchery fish. Same goes for Stump Lake, Green Diamond's first foray into the business of pimping out state-funded resources to the highest bidders.

The land is theirs to manage. The fish and wildlife belong to the general public, and if they're going to sell those resources, they should have to buy them first. That is all.

Good point FleaFlicker.

When they only sell keys to persons that have a million dollar insurance policy, they are no longer catering to the PUBLIC!!!!!

Reality check. If you have any significant assets and/or future earnings potential a million dollar liability policy is cheap protection even for the general public.

I agree that the State should not be stocking private lakes on private property...hard to compare salmon/steelhead to that, though, when not only is the entire river open to fish, but accessible, too...you just can't drive in there and launch a boat.

Take home for me is that I hope the State buys access, and that the "private property personal responsibility anti-Socialists" who want this drop their hypocrisy and realize that when the entirety of the taxpayers in Washington fund buying this access for us, then that is Socialism by any definition that you can stretch it into.

Fish on...

Todd

a few more beaver slids that require work to make it happen exist, besides the 600, you just gotta find them. At my age I wish I had a key. Haha

There goes the neighborhood

Dick (deerlick) did you used to post under the name "boater"?

"Accessible" is a relative term. There are a few places you can hoof it in up there, but all are long hauls, and at high flows, you're lucky to be able to fish two holes at any one place. When the payoff is watching sleds side drift through that water you worked so hard to reach, forgive me, but it doesn't feel fair.

In my view, allowing only a few, select people to pay for a significant advantage in what is supposed to be an equal public access opportunity moves past Capitalism, straight into Elitism. Call me out as a Socialist if you like. It doesn't offend me. Heck, if it weren't for the annoying obsession with political correctness that dominates their platform these days, I'd probably call myself a Socialist.

nope just a different dick apparently

Lol

I know deerlick, and have met boater, and they definitely are not the same folks!

Fish on...

Todd

I know it was fishermen, that caused the problem at the 7400 line. That Green Diamond gated their property was their right.

What I don't agree with. is that fishermen cause all the problems. I live close enough to the Wynoochee, that I might drive to the river, 2-3 times a day. Most of the time its to fish but many times to see how others are doing. I ALSO KNOW THAT SWIMMERS/CAMPERS, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, HAVE BEEN A DIRECT RESULT OF MANY GRAVEL BARS BEING CLOSED. Trash, dirty diapers, torn up gravel bars, cut down trees for fires, campers/trailers parked for weeks at a time....just makes for less access for all of us.

Access that used to be, is not anymore.......If I've heard "I used to put in there", once, I've heard it a thousand times !!!!!!!!

The first paragraph is exactly the point I was trying to make. As to Todd or any one else trying to couch public access points into socialism versus capitalism you are taking this sideways with the result being non-productive chipping at one another.

[quote=DrifterWA) What I don't agree with. is that fishermen cause all the problems. I live close enough to the Wynoochee, that I might drive to the river, 2-3 times a day. Most of the time its to fish but many times to see how others are doing. I ALSO KNOW THAT SWIMMERS/CAMPERS, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, HAVE BEEN A DIRECT RESULT OF MANY GRAVEL BARS BEING CLOSED. Trash, dirty diapers, torn up gravel bars, cut down trees for fires, campers/trailers parked for weeks at a time....just makes for less access for all of us.

Access that used to be, is not anymore.......If I've heard "I used to put in there", once, I've heard it a thousand times !!!!!!!! [/quote]

Not sure if it was the Wynoochee or Satsop but I still after many years remember a Spring drift trip and coming to a gravel bar absolutely covered with the aftermath of a huge beer party. Broken bottles, cans, remains of a fire, broken lawn furniture and various other crap. I can only imagine the feelings of the adjacent property owner.

Trash on the river from the public is a problem but.... the worst littering I have seen on the Wynoochie is created by some local farmers white plastic hay bales wraps that regularly "accidentally" get flooded into the river. The litter is ending up downstream. Not on their property.

+1 Land owner is North of "Cross over bridge".......Has happened, MORE THAN ONCE

I called sheriff Office, as did others, was told that the person had broken no law.

Myself and a friend participated in a cleanup of this crap a few years back (through no acknowledgment or help from the guilty farmer).....still a problem. Same $hit, year after year. It's not rocket science to move the goddamn things up from the flood plain!










Now, back to our regularly scheduled 7400 access soap opera.

You should have had the local high school kids decorated his house with it

LOL