This morning there was a huge escalation, Turkey started firing artillery directly at Syrian forces and Russian Bases, Kewait moved troops and assets in to Turkey as well.

Russia is moving a another destroyer which has nuclear tipped cruise missiles into te Mediterranean and has sent a fleet of cargo planes loaded with tanks and nuclear tipped munitions. They have been unloading cargo planes all day with tanks.

CNN said turkey is getting ready to invade with ground forces. Pretty soon Russia will engage or Turkey will attack them first as of now apparently Russia and Turkey are puffing their chests at each other while Turkey is attacking Assad forces and the Kurds. All hell is getting ready to break loose Turkey is NATO and article 5 will be invoked.

I just saw that the Saudi's are readying to start airstrikes assisting the Turks. Pretty soon you will see Iran attack Saudi Arabia in retaliation.

Fire and brimstone, dogs sleeping with cats................mass hysteria!!

Gawd dammit, just when gas prices were going down.

Can't they just play in their own sandboxes ?


JF C

Saudi has amassed 350,000 troops and 20,000 tanks on its northern boarder.

There is a 200+ kilometer traffic jam headed into Crimea of Russian military convoys. Russia's policy is to use tactical battlefield nukes if their assets are in threat to being overrun. I tink if 350,000 troops and tanks invade Syria via Iraq or Jordan Russia will first strike with tactical battlefield nukes to erase the threat.

This thing will go nuke right off the bat.

Actually Hank is more of a bottom if you get my drift.

As I don't advertise on this site, sometimes I feel guilty for not paying Bob for the entertainment. Happy valentines ladies.

The Saudis have 20,000 tanks now?

lol

Do they store them in another dimension?

Feel free to send him some money.

I was thinking....do we even have 20k tanks. LOL

No - we have less than 10K.

This Saudi escalation will not stand!!

Well, I for one feel fortunate to be allowed to witness decisions being made that will directly influence the fate of humanity on this earth.

If Russia attacks Turkey from the rear, will Greece help?

Thought so.

Maybe Rich meant Aquariums.

I remember this CNN chick doing a live report on the first Iraq war.
These were coalition aircraft doing bombing runs.....

"There goes some little ones, now here comes some big ones."



ROFLOL

This Syria thing is big news....Yahoo and MSN homepages have it posted way below Boston's cold weather and a national dog show's results.

C'mon Rich, I need some Squatch updates! No Gnomes though, those little bastards give me the creeps.

Viva Russians

not sure how trustworthy they are, but it says what hes been saying...

More Koolaid?

http://www.infostormer.com/gordon-duff-and-veterans-today-is-an-admitted-source-of-disinformation/

Turkey has 60-70 of our missiles housed there...


http://www.nti.org/country-profiles/turkey/

+1

And Turkey is going to seize our nukes?

I'll believe that when it happens - it sounds like more Eeyore sh!t to me. That would be the biggest mistake Turkey ever made, and they'd be needing a sh!t ton more than that to engage the US and Russians - which is what seizing our weapons would lead to.

Sounds like a real pile of sh!t to me, but still a long ways away from being WWIII at this point.

Not too far Dan, as soon as an invasion force crosses into Syria things are going to escalate fast. Invasion is the next step and could happen any second, and I suspect it will happen soon because Russia is a tad bit behind the eight ball trying as fast as possible to get enough asets in Syria to fight a conventional groundwar against a 500,000+ invasion ground force comprised of a Suni coalition.

Russia has air superiority even agianst US technology already. Don't think they won't defend their interests without hesitation. Thats the problem with Russia now, they have advanced their technology far enough in the last 20 years especially in aircraft and anti aircraft That even our stuff can't infiltrate it or defend against it. The SAM 400 system is far more advanced than any system we have.

Apparently they have a new tank as well that is supposed to be better than anything else out there and apparently they are sending lots of them to Syria via nonstop air transport.

I hope we don't end up fighting the Russians on foreign soil.

If anything serious goes down with Russia it will be settled with Nuke Subs. Which is highly unlikely as of right now.

Nothing a Warthog wont take out.

Russia doesnt rule the air...

we do....

I think we would be better off getting out of the middle East all together, are biggest problems are right here at home. It's pretty obvious they want to handle their own affairs.

Per Military Times:

Make no mistake: Experts agree that the U.S. military's globe-spanning force would clobber the Russian military in any toe-to-toe conventional fight. But modern wars are not toe-to-toe conventional fights; geography, politics and terrain inevitably give one side an advantage.

Today, the U.S. spends nearly 10 times more than Russia on national defense. The U.S. operates 10 aircraft carriers; Russia has just one. And the U.S. military maintains a broad technological edge and a vastly superior ability to project power around the world.

Toe to toe, a conventional war between the U.S. and Russia would be no contest. But few believe any conflict would play out like that.
(Photo: Melinda Johnson/Staff)
Russia remains weak, according to many traditional criteria. But it is now developing some key technologies, new fighting tactics and a brazen geopolitical strategy that is

aggressively undermining America's 25-year claim to being the only truly global superpower. The result: Russia is unexpectedly re-emerging as America's chief military rival.
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In case you forgot, Rich, before the first Gulf War broke out, people were saying the US would have difficulty dealing with Iraq. Then operations started, and we walked through them like sh!t through a goose.

Russia doesn't want a war with us - and we don't want one with them. I think, in the end, cooler head will prevail, and this will blow over.

At least I hope it will.

20,000 tanks is what's being reported, suposidly they only have 1200 or so, so where did the other 18,200 come from? Either its [Bleeeeep!] or its part of a coalition. You never know what Saudi has acquired in trade for oil all these years.

Rich is correct, Russia has superior air technology and overall defense system. We are so far behind...... Fuk, we don't even have the technology to get a clear pic of Bigfoot or a Gnome. We are screwed.

Dan, I agree neither would want to fight each other it would only result in a bunch of unnecessary death and destruction.

There is no need for us to compete with them, they don't need anything, (big land mass and not many people, lots of resources). Just let them sell their oil and gas protect their interests and leave them alone, that's all they want and really its all we want. It's time we got the hell out of the Middle East, seems its in Obama's playbook anyways. If Europe still wants our protection or more of it we need to send it but for a price, they are going to need our help with the refugee problems, with many more sure to head to Europe.

I read somewhere that if that SAM 400 was fired at a target in Telaviv from the Northern Syrian Boarder, it would impact the target in 112 seconds, with the accuracy of being able to go through said window at said address. It can be either a defensive or offensive weapon with a lock on range of 600 miles and a target range of 400 miles. It has a speed of 17,000 kilometers an hour, and can be tipped with a nuke warhead. No plane can outrun it, outmaneuver it or shake its radar lock, apparently it's radar system is twice that of the F-35. From what I have read the SAM 400 makes the F-35 completely obsolete.

What about flying saucers? Do remember Roswell and the deal we made with the Intergalactic Freedom Fighters? They have spacecraft that can fly between dimensions...... Go Russia

The other problems have with them if we decide to punch it out is the fact that they have produced thousands of ballistic misles specifically meant to destroy our navy which would be fired from deep within protected Russia, they have 200 highly accurate missles for each ship we have and it only takes .5% to hit target and our entire navy is gone in the blink of an eye. They produced this technology and all the weaponry for about 1 billion dollars, the cost of one aircraft carrier.

Accept the subs that is. But nobody is going to fire ICBMs at cities, nobody is that crazy.

They'd better be that good at destroying carriers, because we have 10 and they have one.

And if you think they're going to scuttle our entire Navy and we aren't going to bring ICBM's into play, then the gnome stories seem sane.

Our sub fleet is not going to let our Navy and Air Force be handled. That's why we sunk the $$$ into that fleet, and the Russians can't hold our jock in that theater - we outnumber them 71 to 59, and ours are quieter.

Which is why I think this whole thing gets put down before it boils over.

I sure hope so. Neither side wants to go to the others back yard. We don't have the stomach to fight a real war against a real advisory, Viatnam was the last time we faught a real army and look what happened.

Fighting the Arabs was never the real thing, any organized force generally cut and run pretty quick and the taliban, and terrorists was gorilla regardless of where it was. You were fighting a motivated but far outmatched advisory. Which was never capable of inflicting much damage on you as we always had the upper hand due to technology.

Fighting a real war against a fairly evenly matched advisory is something we have not seen since Japan and Germany. Problem is we are not the same America and not the same people, the Russian people live much tougher lives than us and care much more about family. For gods sake its the law to take care of your parents when they get elderly, if you don't its straight to prison. Thats a completely different mindset which we are currently lacking.

Were do you come up with this B.S ? Ford class aircraft carrier's run around 14 billion dollars.

He means fish tanks.

Not good!!!!! Syrians just captured rebles and terrist groups with israeli made mortars. Russia has given Hezbollah, advanced radar systems which can lock on Israeli aircraft. Also Syria is now firing mortars and artillery back into Turkey. Jordan is also amassing troops and mechanized forces at it Boarder with Syria. Saudi has positioned 40+ fighter jets in Jordan as well.

I also read that if a Suni coalition attempts to support ground troops with aircraft, the only possible successful way would be for the US to attempt to destroy the SAM400s with Stealth aircraft. If they can't take out the SAM 400 any incursion would be quick suicide, they can take out any plane in the region right off the landing strip, as everything is already in range.

The Arabs seem to think they can count on the US or Isreal to counter the SAM anti aircraft threat. So either we are going to quickly enter this thing on the side of Turkey and Saudi, or the Arabs are bluffing with a full scale invasion.

I hope we are not going to inject ourselves into WWIII, over Arabs and oil fields.

Reports are being confirmed that Turkish Special forces have been captured fighting along side ISIS in Syrian territory.

By whom?

BTW. I'm rooting for the Kurds! They seem to be the only ones fighting for freedom.

You can find all this stuff via the alternative news media. Seems you have to filter some bull out. What concerns me most is I would have thought the mainstream would have started covering this Saturday but even now almost nothing. This is kinda a big deal. Its strange, Like the media does not want to influence Americas opinion before America decides what it will do.

So our allies are bombing our allies.

Great! No mess here!

Irony at it's best. lol

This thread has earned another tinfoil hat......

Didn't know Frank had mono vaginitis....

Maybe we should carpet bomb them with goats and camels (on parachutes).
They love goats....with goats you can win a beautiful bride.
They would stop their BS and have a massive goat roundup.
But then they would probably fight over the goats.

We could also carpet bomb with frankincense and myrrh.
They love that stuff whatever it is.
And they would fight over that.

Nevermind there is no hope for these clowns.
Gas prices will be going back up.

See.....There it is, agian. Frank talking about dicks and bending over. Frank's retaliation to everything

Usually the guys who are pecker preachers, lack the aforementioned part....

Slight edit, but winner, winner, chicken dinner!

So Turkey is aiding ISIS now? Where do I get this "alternative" news media?

It's very apparent you do not need to know that information, Salmo. If THEY wanted you to have that information, THEY would have transmitted it directly in to your brain.

Strap on your tinfoil hat, grab some Monster Energy Drinks, and search for any online blog with the word "Patriot" in the title.

Fish on...

Todd

The short answer is yes. Of course this is much more of a mess than a short answer. It's not that they support ISIS it's more that the Kurds are fighting ISIS so Turkey has no plans to attack those who are fighting the Kurds. And someone is buying all that oil.

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKb9GVU8bHE[/video]

Well who knew Iran would use the billions obongo freed up to buy weapons? If you can't trust a goatfukker who can you trust?


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/02/16/...ml?intcmp=hpbt1



While a defensive “ground-to-air” weapons system such as the S-300 is exempt from U.N. Resolution 2231, the ban explicitly forbids “battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, [and] warships…” from being purchased by Iran without prior approval from the U.N.

Iran is looking to buy Russia's most capable tank, the T-90, as well as modern Su-30 Flanker fighter jets, Dehqan has said.

That's WWII.927.

I can't imagine a worse disappointment in a prepper's life than to die before Armageddon comes...how sad to spend your whole life afraid out of your skull of the Apocalypse, preparing to survive it, and then the world just does normal schit your whole life, and then you die.

Fish on...

Todd

Or we decided if Iran continued to kill ISIS fighters we would allow them to buy weapons and Boeing jets.

And while we are at it we should thank Russia for bombing the ISIS fuel depots and convoys. Why do you think Turkey shot down their plane?

If ISIS is the enemy than Russia, Iran and Iraq are our allies.

If Syria/Assad is the enemy then Al Quida, ISIS, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia are our allies.

Which is why I support the Kurds. They are the only ones fighting for their freedom by killing ISIS.

Well the media blackout has started to lift and you are starting to get an idea of where our country is leaning.....

It looks like we are looking at supporting the Suni's and not the Shiats, since the news seems to be educating the public in a way to give them the impression that Russia is killing civilians and bombing hospitals. I guess we will see what happens in the next few days and if our country is going to make any real commitments.

If we deploy troops into Syria we will be fighting the Russians, neither side will submit to the other Im afraid.

Looks more to me that we signed this treaty with Iran so they could get their 150 billion in war funds, probably so the war will be more entertaining on TV. It's obvious they are using the money to fuel their war machine.

The one player everyone here is forgetting about, just the way they like it, is France.

One day Assad is the enemy. The next day Paris is attacked. The next day ISIS is the enemy. The next day Russia is involved. And a week later ISIS has no more oil thanks to Russian bombs. And now Suadi Arabia is threatening to invade Syria. Somewhere amongst all of this the U.S. and Iran make piece.

I haven't read this anywhere but my armchair analysis has determined France's hands are all over this. And they told both Russia and America that Sunni extremism is done. Over. Dead. Buried. Just like Somali Pirates (who are now picking apples in Brewster BTW). And Russia and America can play their nation building and arms selling games once Sunni extremism is done. Over. Dead. Buried.

And if that means Turkey and Saudi Arabia no longer exist than so be it. Which is why they are both freaking out and doing everything they can to make sure America does not sit this one out.

In short recent events lead me to believe that France told America to sit this one out. And Obama, to his credit, decided it's best to sit this one out. Which I totally agree with.

So no, I do not believe this is the start of WWIII. Just the end of Saudi Arabia!!!

Which would be a good thing for the world. Remember France is a whole lot better at this sh!t then either America or Russia!

Yeah, I'm gonna' cheer for the Kurds. Who doesn't like a freedom fighter? We're gonna' have a tailgate at a staff retreat/workshop, and we're supposed to wear out favorite team gear. Anyone know where I could find a Kurd uniform jersey?

A good friend that did construction contract work in Iran, found that the Kurds were the most reliable group over there.
For a foreman, you wanted a Kurd.

Brood buster makes a lot of sense..... The united States has made very little comment and no action on this, yet Saudi and Turkey seem to be bluffing on the sense that they can force the US to engage with Russia (which is the only possible way they could challenge the Russians). Problem for the Suni's is the US is not doing what they thought. It's almost like it was a double-cross, because the Turks and Saudis sure seemed confident but no action by the US?.

Suni's do seem to be the most extreme of the bunch. Overall the Shiats seem to cause less trouble.

Other than persuade the US to sit this one out what does France do?

Bomb hospitals for one .

Hospitals and schools are always a great place for your command and control when your enemy lives in a political world. France doesn't live in that political world. They never hold news conferences and pander for votes. They just kill people. And If that includes some doctors without borders so be it. That just makes them more effective.

Again I haven't read this anywhere but one hospital can easily be a mistake by either Russia or America. It happens. But it sounds like several hospitals where taken out which smells of France to me. And I see France has extended their state of emergency for another several months. So it seems to me that France is still enemy #1 as far as ISIS is concerned.

Sucks when the rules of engagement change mid war. Unless, of course, you're the one changing those rules.

A couple of important points that seem to have been overlooked in this discussion.
Turkey is a NATO nation, if attacked all NATO nations are bound to defend Turkey.
Way back when Saudi Arabia nationalized the oil industry, we,the USA entered into an agreement to guarantee their defense in return for a stable supply of oil.
We are tied to both these countries whether we like it or not.

Yes Turkey is NATO and we have an agreement with Saudi, but if they shoot first and prevoke retaliation I don't think we have to come to their aid. We still may but I don't think we have to.

I think that France is working with the Russians currently so that's probably why we are not hearing about them...

Both the Turks and Saudis are saying they wouldn't go into Syria without the US in the lead at this point in time but anything can happen in this mess.
With all the factions involved it must be hard to tell who's shooting at who:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

A better question is this:

Rich G., how is every single one of your dire predictions and Bigfoot proof plans going, from every single post you have made here in the past four years?

I know it won't bother you...because that's how fruitcakes are...but so far you are batting exactly zero, not one single one of your "big" announcements has happened, anywhere, at all.

None.

Can't wait to see you post a few more.

Fish on...

Todd

Looks like we might blow sh!t up with these just sent to Qatar...


Nice lookin' ship even though it was designed to kill.

Might bag a few Russkies when they let loose if they're in the wrong part of town.
Maybe it will be Putin's turn to complain.