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#957519 - 05/17/16 10:59 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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On the ferry ride into town today I noticed there was a netter out in Elliot bay with a couple hundred feet of net out...

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#957537 - 05/17/16 12:56 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Pickup truck on Marine Drive yesterday with stereotypical "Fresh Salmon" sign and big white cooler.
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#957539 - 05/17/16 01:19 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Registered: 04/01/15
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That must be a fake ad, fish ticket records show that none of those fish are ever sold. The Nooksack spring chinook fishery is strictly a ceremonial and subsistence harvest.


Edited by Bobber Downey Jr. (05/17/16 01:30 PM)

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#957552 - 05/17/16 02:54 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Bobber Downey Jr.]
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Registered: 11/08/06
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Originally Posted By: Bobber Downey Jr.
That must be a fake ad, fish ticket records show that none of those fish are ever sold. The Nooksack spring chinook fishery is strictly a ceremonial and subsistence harvest.


Originally Posted By: OncyT
So then you too are assuming that the tribes can't manage their own fisheries. Sorry, but I don't buy that anymore than someone saying the state can't manager its own fisheries.

I have absolutely no idea how the tribes fishing in the Skagit right now are monitoring their fisheries, but I do know something about how some tribes would be monitoring those fisheries. They would have tribal staff at all the landings on the river checking the catch (I am assuming here that the current fisheries for spring Chinook are probably ceremonial and subsistence more than commercial fisheries, since tribal commercial fisheries would have fish tickets to document sales. I am also assuming that there are probably just a handful of fishers operating, so it would be pretty easy to get a high sample rate.). If they were doing that sort of monitoring would you assume that the tribal staff would be willing to falsify what they saw? Just curious whether or not there is any point in responding further on this thread.



I'm sure the coolers full of fish and garbage cans full of crab have been meticulously recorded.
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#957554 - 05/17/16 03:13 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Bobber Downey Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Bobber Downey Jr.
That must be a fake ad, fish ticket records show that none of those fish are ever sold. The Nooksack spring chinook fishery is strictly a ceremonial and subsistence harvest.


subsistence = $


take away the $ and make it about food again and we may have a chance to save them before they are gone...


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#957637 - 05/20/16 06:04 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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#957639 - 05/20/16 07:10 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I, for one, am sick and tired of sucking hind [Bleeeeep!] to a privileged minority. Take the fish and shove it up your #$$. If the state caves in, just to salvage a miserable crumb off the tribes table, I will NEVER support WDFW again!
We've been slapped in the face. It's time to fight or grovel like a punk. But to beg the tribes to please let us fish is just plain BS!
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#957641 - 05/20/16 08:11 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Aside from everybodys rants, have we heard anything new on where we are with the process?

Are we still in talks with NWIFC or have we put that to bed and waiting on our individual permit from NOAA?

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#957642 - 05/20/16 08:13 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I think it's super important to separate long and short term for NOF.

Long term, NOF is obviously super broken, and we needed a good crisis to cause it to be re-examined. I think (but am not sure) we've had it. It's not obvious to me that sporties staying on the bank all season will help, but I concede it MIGHT.

However, MIGHT is hard to weigh against all the boat/tackle/retail outlets who will absolutely take it in the shorts if there's no fishing all summer. WDFW has to try to balance this. We need it on fire enough that serious changes will be enacted, including having our own permits for future years, which is in process I believe.

I think my point is that the inevitable "WDFW caved" narrative isn't so simple -- I think under NO circumstance will we get an equitable season this year. The only hope is we get them in future years.
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#957645 - 05/20/16 09:31 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I'm hearing a deal will be announced today.
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#957647 - 05/20/16 10:43 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Registered: 02/24/11
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Loc: whale pass
no one is going to comment on that price per pound in the Alaska troll fishery???? $9.34 a pound.... or you kidding me thats a lot more per pound than I have ever seen going to the fishermen. like $4.00 more per pound... time to sell the house and buy a boat!

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#957649 - 05/20/16 11:32 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Registered: 01/09/07
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Loc: Olympia, WA
I just seen where the Indians are netting the White river for Spring Chinook right now. Guessing they needed some Ceremonial catch. Some more BS, white man saved the run from extinction and they are the only user group that get to harvest.

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#957650 - 05/20/16 11:54 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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#957651 - 05/20/16 12:03 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: cncfish]
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That price per pound is for the winter fishery. The number of fish caught will soon go up and the price will drop. I seem to remember the buyers offered about $2.75 lb for large kings last summer. By the time it get's to the consumer at Pike Place it's $20 lb.
Don't sell your house and buy a boat, there's more money to be made after the fish gets to the dock!

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#957655 - 05/20/16 12:41 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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#957656 - 05/20/16 01:07 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Started hearing rumblings of this deal this morning, looks like it's actually going to happen...we'll know this afternoon.

Fish on...

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#957658 - 05/20/16 03:20 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Loc: Kirkland
Irishrogue- everything I'm hearing indicates that NOAA wants absolutely no part in issuing seperate permits. That could make this whole thing very interesting.

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#957662 - 05/20/16 07:53 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
I'm hearing a deal will be announced today.


Any word?

Hope something goes right for you guys this season.

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#957667 - 05/20/16 10:11 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Saying delayed until Monday.... hopefully.

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#957694 - 05/23/16 12:47 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 183
Loc: Canyon Park / Bothell
Hopefully no news is good news.


Edited by SaltyDawg27 (05/23/16 12:47 PM)

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