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#959436 - 06/21/16 01:37 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: blackmouth]
Larry B Offline
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Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
Originally Posted By: blackmouth
One thing is certain and that is that the co-management concept is fatally flawed, for as long as one party essentially has the power to overrule the other there is no necessity for them to act in good faith dooming the very concept.


Bingo!! Give that man a prize. (Sorry, just had to do that)
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#959439 - 06/21/16 01:43 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
No More Ice Fishin Offline
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Have there been any more updates as to when the rivers are likely to open?

I heard "likely by the 24th" at one point. Between two kids under age 4 and a job, the late opener is a lose-lose not only from a short season standpoint, but also for not being able to plan some time away from responsibilities to actually fish once it does open.

Apparently I also turn into a bit of a grumpy a$$hole around home when I can't get out to decompress on the river.

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#959440 - 06/21/16 01:45 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Don't blame the voters, Blackmouth. If they vote the other way, the other person will be all too happy to accept his/her predecessor's semi-annual visits from the local tribes. Good things happen to campaign funds when the tribes come calling these days.

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#959441 - 06/21/16 01:46 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: 5 * General Evo]
Larry B Offline
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Originally Posted By: Evo
Originally Posted By: Larry B
A couple of points.

1. Not all treaty tribes are the last in line. Remember the Makah troll fishermen taking something like 20K fish in their fall/winter fishery when the anticipated take was 2-3 thousand?

2. There was language in the Supreme Court decision indicating that the allocation issue could be adjusted as tribal economies improved. While not a treaty tribe I just read that the Cowlitz tribe is moving forward on a casino with a cost in excess of $500 million. Hmmm, things must be getting better for them.....




didnt the Cowlitz tribe sell their netting rights?


I was not stating or implying that the Cowlitz tribe is currently fishing; rather, that whomever is financially backing a +$500 million casino is anticipating a good payback to include whatever the tribe rakes off.

In fact, having that type of facility might raise some serious issues regarding needs if they were to try and assert rights to a fishery.
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#959442 - 06/21/16 01:52 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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maybe its because they formed a partnership with the Mohegan Tribe (thats in Connecticut)... why is a tribe from Connecticut building or helping build casinos in Washington State?


The $510 million casino resort project is more than a decade in the making after the Cowlitz Tribe formed a partnership with the Mohegan Tribe.

The facility will be 368,000 square feet. Construction workers tell KOIN 6 the casino level is going to be about 275,000 square feet, and will feature 15 different bar, restaurant, retail and entertainment establishments. There will also be an event center designed to seat 2,500 people.

“We’re not targeting just gamers with this facility,” said project General Manager Kara Fox-LaRose. “We really will be unique within the gaming market in Washington.”


http://koin.com/2016/06/20/cowlitz-project-reveals-name-of-sw-wa-casino-resort/

http://mohegan.nsn.us/
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#959443 - 06/21/16 01:56 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
5 * General Evo Offline
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nevermind... this is why.. .they are one of the kingpins in tribal gambling it looks like....



The Mohegan Tribe has used gaming to generate revenue for economic development of the Tribe, its members, and the surrounding communities. Mohegan Sun employs about 10,000 individuals internally, while buying supplies and services from hundreds of small and medium-sized vendors and local companies that also employ thousands of individuals. Employees of the Tribes and Casinos pay all federal and state income taxes as well as other employment taxes, providing tens of millions of dollars to the state and federal governments.

As mandated by federal law and the Mohegan Tribe’s Constitution and laws, profits from Native American gaming go to support the health, education, welfare, and infrastructure of tribal governments. Although tribes are entitled to certain federal grants, by 1997 the Mohegan Tribe was in a position to return or reject funds. That year, it turned back $2.2 million in grant funds to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to be redistributed to other Native American nations.

Since its opening in October 1996, the Mohegan Sun has generated substantial revenues for Connecticut’s economy:

Approximately $2.5 billion in slot revenue contributions to the State of Connecticut
Over $4 billion is salaries, wages and benefits for employees
Over $6 billion in goods and services
Over $200 million in state taxes
Over $65 million in state services
Over $18 million in charitable donations
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#959463 - 06/21/16 09:33 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Maybe they could come here and run the State of WA.

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#959471 - 06/22/16 08:43 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Maybe they could come here and run the State of WA.


They certainly couldn't fuk it up any worse than the scum running this state into the ground.
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#959481 - 06/22/16 10:45 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I've received confirmation that June 24 still looks to be the day where will we receive a permit. Openers should be immediate. More info tomorrow.
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#959486 - 06/22/16 11:44 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Thanks for the update.
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#959550 - 06/22/16 10:26 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
I've received confirmation that June 24 still looks to be the day where will we receive a permit.


Its a good thing the 24th isn't a tuesday

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#959601 - 06/23/16 03:21 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Loc: A terminal zone
WDFW Mill Creek office says the permit should be received sometime tomorrow. If it's received in the morning, rivers should open in the afternoon. If it's received later in the day, rivers will be open on SATURDAY!!
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#959631 - 06/24/16 08:40 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
Backtrollin Offline
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Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 170
Loc: Duvall, WA
Tom Nelson of the Outdoor line just posted to his facebook "FINALLY! NOAA Permit approved! Expect WDFW Emergency Reg any minute!"

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#959650 - 06/24/16 10:30 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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The Tide changed

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Permit is approved. All PS Fisheries open effectively immeadiately per WDFW pamphlets.

Todd and Luis are headed to my house now, headed to the river wink
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#959654 - 06/24/16 10:44 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Great news!

Now all the 206'ers and 425'ers can stay in Pugetropolis and leave Grays Harbor in peace.

Just kiddin' ... right fp? wink

Seriously, I'm glad for you guys..... 'bout friggin time!
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#959656 - 06/24/16 10:58 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
cohoangler Offline
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Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
Here's the press release from WDFW:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/jun2416a/

Have at it guys! Just take it easy on the coho. Be nice to the Tribal folks, and everyone else too. There's been too much friction already.

Go fishing and have fun! Good luck on the water.

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#959657 - 06/24/16 11:01 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
No More Ice Fishin Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Permit is approved. All PS Fisheries open effectively immeadiately per WDFW pamphlets.

Todd and Luis are headed to my house now, headed to the river wink



You f*ckers. I'm stuck at work now. I should have gambled, called in sick, and sat on the river bank hitting the refresh button all morning.

By the time I get out tomorrow, every fish left from Sultan to Index will have seen a parade of Rvrfshr spoons.

If the dumb ones are gone, I got no shot.

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#959658 - 06/24/16 11:13 AM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: No More Ice Fishin]
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Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 21
I had today off but I'm watching my daughter and don't really want to bring a 9 month old with me to the river.

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#959676 - 06/24/16 02:21 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Sky-Guy]
SaltyDawg27 Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 183
Loc: Canyon Park / Bothell
Wow. I was right. Let's go fishkin. Tis a glorious day indeed!!


Edited by SaltyDawg27 (06/24/16 02:22 PM)

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#959681 - 06/24/16 05:07 PM Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update [Re: Deer_Creek]
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 1110
Loc: Kirkland
Just got back from a quick trip to the sky with my 5yo, 3yo, and 5 month old. Lot of work but get them going early. Don't be scared!

Originally Posted By: Deer_Creek
I had today off but I'm watching my daughter and don't really want to bring a 9 month old with me to the river.

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