I don't think the data is outdated. The tribes or the state has the data. WDFW is outdated on their models/science and seems to be a bit lacking in the ability to get them updated. The talent is there and in place, but generally their ideas are squashed by upper management.

I have heard that at some professors (and probably a few employees) do not recommend working for WDFW if you are talented.

Using the wayback again, when Curt and I started out one could reasonably aspire to the directorship or other high position as one worked their way up.

How many in leadership positions in WDFW started their careers there versus imports?

I have heard that at some professors (and probably a few employees) do not recommend working for WDFW if you are talented.

Using the wayback again, when Curt and I started out one could reasonably aspire to the directorship or other high position as one worked their way up.

How many in leadership positions in WDFW started their careers there versus imports?

Talent makes people nervous, not excited. It makes you a target. That has been my experience in 12 years of working my ass off with pretty much nothing to show for it.

Too many older folks have no clue how fuvked the next generations are. If that shocks you about WDFW than you are straight ignorant because this country is broken.

I would pretty much march into the jaws of death for someone who treated me with respect but they never have and they never will because hard workers are janitors in the eyes of the managing class.

If only they gave those drug tests to the managers. Wouldn't that be a hoot!

And BTW, I am highly educated and always end up doing blind dumb labor that nobody wants to do even if it wasn't what I was hired for simply because I can lift well over 100 pounds.

Pretty good summary there, Paker. The budget cuts at WDFW became a talent windfall for NMFS, and definitely not a good thing for WDFW. I still hear about low morale at WDFW, especially from biologists who took positions at other agencies. I really hope the Commission and Unsworth can turn things around. And turning things around will mean focusing Departmental efforts towards the constituents who pay most of the agency's freight.

And the saddest part is that many bosses want as their choice employee someone to break the rules with and get drunk with during lunch; someone who won't hold them accountable. They want their employees to be their buddy. This means that the people who get promoted and pulled into the inner circle are the fuvkoffs who are good at posturing but usually are just getting in the way of getting the work done.

When would the next tribal fishery requiring a permit begin? That may give you an idea of when NOAA will get the permit done.