#958603 - 06/08/16 09:55 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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Parr
Registered: 02/13/08
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Sure wish the people that work for us would show a little more sense of urgency and get the rivers opened up before they have to start shutting them down for the summer due to low/warm water. I'm sure all they really care about is getting the permit issued by July 16 so the one week puget sound king season can happen.
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#958614 - 06/09/16 06:39 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: autopilot70]
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Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 7204
Loc: Snohomish, WA
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Sure wish the people that work for us would show a little more sense of urgency and get the rivers opened up before they have to start shutting them down for the summer due to low/warm water. I'm sure all they really care about is getting the permit issued by July 16 so the one week puget sound king season can happen. I'm pretty sure we'll have enough water to last us the next few weeks. Agreed it shouldn't take this long, but it's the Government, so you are just going to have to hurry up and wait with the rest of us peasants.
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#958627 - 06/09/16 08:51 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: autopilot70]
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Parr
Registered: 09/14/09
Posts: 72
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Sure wish the people that work for us would show a little more sense of urgency and get the rivers opened up before they have to start shutting them down for the summer due to low/warm water. I'm sure all they really care about is getting the permit issued by July 16 so the one week puget sound king season can happen. Bureaucrats do as little as possible to survive until they get a lifetime pension for doing absolutely nothing.
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#958684 - 06/10/16 12:00 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Smalma]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 04/20/09
Posts: 1249
Loc: WaRshington
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GLU -
Do you know what they boundaries are for the tribal Bubble fishery?
Local residents are telling me that they are fishing out to Priest Point (outside of the bubble area for the recreational fishers.
The Tulalip area for Chinook is generally only (a) inside of the bay and (b) directly in front of the bay in "the bubble". Inside it is a set net show, outside it is primarily drift net, beach sein, and round haul (I believe). There should be NO fishing as far East as Priest Pt. Any fishers outside of the bubble would be in violation. If anyone sees fishers outside of the bubble I encourage them to call Tribal dispatch at 360-716-4608 and report what they see.
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#958808 - 06/12/16 01:24 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3739
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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I live along the South Sound. I volunteered to feed Chinook for Percival Cove after my military days. This was my "therapy."
These were early returning Green River stock?
Why no love for the veterans?
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#959069 - 06/15/16 08:23 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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The puzzling thing about this time frame is that NOF ended about April 15, and typically approved fisheries plans begin May 15 when the state and treaty tribes have reached their usual agreements. The same 6 species and killer whale concerns existed last year, and the year before, etc. That is exactly my reaction. That's a fine explanation by Susan, but this happens every year. This year was an exception since the State and the Tribe took longer than normal to reach an agreement on fishing. So why is it more complicated this year?
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#959072 - 06/15/16 09:17 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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Alevin
Registered: 12/24/10
Posts: 10
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More tribal asses to kiss
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#959075 - 06/15/16 09:27 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/05/04
Posts: 2572
Loc: right place/wrong time
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This entire situation is ridiculous in so many ways. We have the judicial branch (interpreting) treaties legislation etc. to a point of giving them a new and different meaning, in effect legislating from the bench. We have agencies morphing into giant revenue consuming omnipotent beings where their main objective seems to be to gather power and grow. We have an alphabet soup of agencies which have carved out their personal areas over which they can claim control and that they protect with all of their resources because it means their very existence to do so. And we, the humble taxpayers have little influence over the matter because it is our part to pick up the tab and deal with the consequences, but don't fret it is all for are own good. 
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#959086 - 06/15/16 02:54 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: cohoangler]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3739
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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The puzzling thing about this time frame is that NOF ended about April 15, and typically approved fisheries plans begin May 15 when the state and treaty tribes have reached their usual agreements. The same 6 species and killer whale concerns existed last year, and the year before, etc. That is exactly my reaction. That's a fine explanation by Susan, but this happens every year. This year was an exception since the State and the Tribe took longer than normal to reach an agreement on fishing. So why is it more complicated this year? +3 Are we just settling scores?
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#959090 - 06/15/16 03:10 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Sky-Guy]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7587
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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NOAA warned the parties that not agreeing would cause problems. Just showing who's boss.
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#959095 - 06/15/16 04:59 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 3359
Loc: Island Time
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Hard to believe all those employed at the state and federal level technically work for us, AND the fish and wildlife in this state belongs to US.
They act as if they're doing us a favor by even looking at the permits and letting us have their fish.
Our founding fathers knew how big government would become a self serving clusterfuck.
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#959099 - 06/15/16 05:27 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3739
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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NOAA ... Just showing who's boss. I just want to tell you right now. I am in favor of more terminal harvest. ]
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#959130 - 06/16/16 09:48 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Carcassman]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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NOAA warned the parties that not agreeing would cause problems. Just showing who's boss. But they have reached an agreement...... As I understand it, the State and the Tribes agree on how to manage the fisheries in Puget Sound for this year, which is exactly what NMFS asked them to do. Granted, it took them longer than it normally does, but they still reached an agreement. That's what's puzzling about the timeframe for issuing ESA clearance. Seems like it should be fairly straightforward. That is, it should be similar to what they've done in the recent past.
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#959131 - 06/16/16 10:06 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7587
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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They missed the deadline. There are consequences for that. Maybe next year the sides will negotiate in better faith.
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#959134 - 06/16/16 10:59 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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Eyed Egg
Registered: 05/10/16
Posts: 8
Loc: Monroe, WA
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Do you suggest that the state did not negotiate in good faith? The tribes fishing efforts don't seem to have been hindered by any of this. They continue to fish under their individual permit.
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#959139 - 06/16/16 11:53 AM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
[Re: Carcassman]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3339
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They missed the deadline. There are consequences for that. Maybe next year the sides will negotiate in better faith. While I believe there may be some sarcasm in that statement, I think it's right on. Our state blew up the schedule; not NOAA. We don't have to like it, but as the ones responsible for the delay, the costs fall to us. That's the way the world works. To argue otherwise, while it may be more fun and somewhat satisfying, is unreasonable. The thing that troubles me about the way this is shaking out is that the existing, obviously broken process is remaining intact. In the end, all we will have to show for our efforts to blow up the out-dated status quo will be a shortened, limited season. Next time the forecasts don't leave enough ESA impacts to keep everyone fishing as usual (most likely next year), our options will be A, cave to unfair tribal demands and give up fisheries entirely or B, repeat the cluster**** we enjoyed so much this year, then get delayed starts to limited fisheries. We should have insisted on changing the rules of the game or abolishing co-management in Puget Sound altogether. Short of that, why should we expect anything to change for the better?
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#959149 - 06/16/16 01:41 PM
Re: North of Falcon/PMFC update
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3034
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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They missed the deadline. There are consequences for that. Maybe next year the sides will negotiate in better faith. While I believe there may be some sarcasm in that statement, I think it's right on. Our state blew up the schedule; not NOAA. We don't have to like it, but as the ones responsible for the delay, the costs fall to us. That's the way the world works. To argue otherwise, while it may be more fun and somewhat satisfying, is unreasonable. The thing that troubles me about the way this is shaking out is that the existing, obviously broken process is remaining intact. In the end, all we will have to show for our efforts to blow up the out-dated status quo will be a shortened, limited season. Next time the forecasts don't leave enough ESA impacts to keep everyone fishing as usual (most likely next year), our options will be A, cave to unfair tribal demands and give up fisheries entirely or B, repeat the cluster**** we enjoyed so much this year, then get delayed starts to limited fisheries. We should have insisted on changing the rules of the game or abolishing co-management in Puget Sound altogether. Short of that, why should we expect anything to change for the better? I would suggest that not reaching an agreement was the direct result of: 1. The tribes not submitting their proposals in a timely manner so as to allow the State to consider it prior to entering negotiations and 2. Not rolling over to unreasonable demands by the tribes (hard to recover lost ground) and 3. At least one of the tribes apparently throwing an issue I do not consider within the scope of NOF into the mix (Skokomish).
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