Anyone headed down to hit those monster CNR Kings on the Humps in a few weeks? or strictly going after Silvers down there. Last year this fishery was spectacular. 30# fish were common place.

How about area 9 this week? anyone doing well there? I've heard alot of hit and miss reports on the incoming Coho.

The Carbon River has produced some nice fish when the river has been in shape. The locals down there say that the best day so far was about 45 fish. I fished there and it was slow when I went on monday - that was the day after the 45 fish. I saw 3 fish, 1 Silver and the 2 Kings I hit. and the water was up. Any news on that since Monday?

How about the sky? Little fishing pressure, and lots of fish it what I've heard. Wallace flats area for Silvers and Steelies below Sultan.

Don't forget the Samish. Anyone fishing up there?

Any and all info appreciated.

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Unfotunatly,the Hump is closed to kings this year.If you want to catch a nice king try the Satsop.
Thank You.

I think it was closed to Kings last year also...correct me if I am wrong. Lower Chehalis just now starting to see some decent King action...

Jim

I thought both,Satsop and the hump where closed last year for nook's.This year is the same for the hump but can you keep nook's this year on the satsop??????Thank's STRIKE ZONE.I thought both were fin clipped coho only.

SATSOP RIVER AND EAST FORK(Grays Harbor Co.)
from mouth to bridge at Schafer State Park
SALMON Oct. 1-Nov. 15 SALMON - no more than 2 adults. No more than 1 wild adult COHO and 1 adult CHINOOK.
Please check the regs, I believe there is a min. size, etc. http://www.wa.gov/wdfw/fish/regs/2000/2000fish.pdf

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The Hump is not open for Kings which means they should not be targeted for C&R purposes. It is closed because of the lack of fish to support a harvastable Fishery. Mortality rates are very high on kings which does not make them a good C&R Fish. If your not there to target Hatchery Silvers go someplace else. The more people go there with the intentions of C&R king fishing the faster the river will get closed down to all Fishing.

How come the Quanalts can net the river for kings but its closed for us? Talk to a guy netting steelies last year said he did great on kings but it was closed for sports fishing??? Don't get me wrong but it seems like we pay for most of those fish(hatchery) but aren't able to fish for them? Is next year the first year that hatchery Kings are marked? Just seems kinda wierd.

Tight lines

Kevin

CNR means catch and release. And yes while fishing for silvers your going to hit kings. Thats commonplace on the Hump.

previous note was for skunkmaster and jg. I was just trying to be upbeat and ask whats up for this weekend, didnt need the lecture on CNR and high king mortality.

I didnt make the king bite my line. And if I get one on, then I'm very good about how I handle releasing them.

Targetting chinook on the Hump for CNR fishing, while it is closed, is a very interesting topic. As I recall the latest issue of Fishing and Hunting News boldly states that Hump Chinook would be the main targets for many anglers. Also, a few years back the cover story for STS had guide, Chris Olsen, Dave Vedder and others fishing for Hump chinook after an emergency closure had been instituted that season. Hmmm???

Samish, Carbon Kings are open, how bout those? anyone hear anything on those this week?

In answer to your question about Area 9. Yes, it has been good. We went last evening and brought in three nice silvers. Lost two beauties right at the side that were even bigger yet. Last day is today so get out to Picnic Point and hug the line at the shipwreck about a quarter mile south. Fish at 90 feet.

8 Foot Leader,

In the 6-10 trips I took to the Hump last year targeting Coho we either limited out on Hatchery Coho or came close. During that time not one king was even Incidently caught. Incidental catches are very rare if your targeting Coho and fishing coho water. And if I look back at your original post you said "last year was spectacular 30# fish were common place". Wow thats pretty good for not targeting them.

I always find it hard to believe someone fishing a deep hole with a sardine wrapped kwickfish is actually targeting Coho.

Why is the Hump closed for Kings???? Let's get real! The tribe netted something like 40 out of 45 days several years in a row targeting kings. And yes, your bucks and mine run the hatchery.

I hear ya Rich!

I think a lot of this "CNR" stuff going on will only result in getting our rivers closed. The State and Feds will only take so much BS before they just outright close the river.

A lof of this incidental "CNR" goes on with the 'nooks on the Sky and Skagit. I hear the Feds are really close to shutting the Skagit down.

Leave those wrapped Qwickies, 6/0 Gammies, and tennis ball globs of eggs at home!

Parker

When are the sportsmen of washington going to figure it out that we have no control over what the Indians do. It is sad that they still net when it is closed to sporties but that is a fact of life. But two wrongs don't make a right. It's the same attitude used by many sporties when it comes to Wild Steelhead. I often here comments like "If I didn't kill it, it would have died in the Indians net". Untill we as sporties realize that we only have control over what we do things are not going to get any better. I remember a day on the sol duc a few years back when a guy got to the takeout *****ing about the lack of fish and the nets at the mouth blocking off the river. One look into his fish box showed two dead nates in the mid teens.

jg
I don't agree with your attitude that we have no control over what the Indians do. Maybe on an individual basis you're mostly right. But somebody does have control to enforce the 50-50 split on a river by river. The Hump was a world class King sport fishery and now it's dead. So what do you do bow your head and walk off into the sunset? The Hoh is another good example: We haven't been able to fish Springs and Summer Kings for 2 years now. Guess who is fishing it.
No, jg I'll continue to speak out until the "B" decision is fairly administered.

Hohman,
The problem I have with our user group(sport fishermen) is that we are quick to blame the tribes for our decline in fish populations. They do need to take part of the responsibility but all I'm saying is we all need to look at ourselves as sporties and take some of the blame, and do our part to help fish populations I.E. not targeting Kings that are closed to fishing.

Hohman,
You need to take some time and go back and search the historical files here in the BB. I believe it was Salmo G that has posted some fairly detailed information on how the fish are allocated and how it relates to the Boldt decision. It is not, as much as we (the sportfisherman and women) want it to be allocated on a pure 50/50 basis. I do not claim to be an expert (I am far from it). Just see that you are relatively new (I am assuming by the number of posts you have made) and just wanted to share that this subject has been beat up pretty good in the past. Most of us did not have a clue on how the whole process works. The punchline is that the fish are being allocated by the guidelines of the Boldt decision.
I am not advocating that I agree with how it is done, but I personnely chose not to get wrapped around the axle on something that I feel will not be changed in my lifetime.
Good luck and tight lines, Jeff

I checked into some harvest numbers from the WDFW a while back and found that the sport anglers DO get screwed, but I don't think it's the tribal nets as much as the non-tribal commercial netters. They get first crack at the fish, so invariably, when the escapement looks like it won't be met, it's the sport anglers that face the closures. From 1987-1991 7.705 million salmon were harvested in Washington. 811,000 were sport caught. That's a whopping 11% of the harvested fish. That's because you have a pie. The non-tribal commercial piece gets taken first. Then the tribal piece gets taken. Now, mom (WDFW) thinks the pie is too small, so she gives you (sport anglers) a smaller piece than the rest. It's even more bogus when you consider the revenue generated in a commercial vs. sport fishery.

The thing is, the non-tribal nets can be bought out without any long, drawn out court battle. That's why Johnny Carlson's plan is bogus. By NOT supporting I-696, and instead including the tribes in his net ban plan, he has guaranteed a long battle in the courts. If he chooses to avoid court by using the "end all fishing to protect any endangered species" plan, then that means ALL fishing including selective sport fisheries because of their associated mortality rates, as low as they may be. If you ask me, Carlson's plan stinks. He had a chance to help get the nets out once, and he chose to speak out against I-696 instead. Would leaving the tribal net unaddressed be "unfair". Maybe, but at least it's POSSIBLE in the short term, rather than waiting for the court battle to reach the US Supreme court, which it very well could.

Call me selfish, but I'm tired of paying to fund fisheries, and then being the last in line for the scraps, especially considering the amount of my hard-earned income I spend on fishing on a yearly basis. In my estimation, we should pick a fight we can win. The non-tribal nets have no treaties that guarantee them the right to fish, the tribes do. Of course, I feel badly that somebody would lose their way of life and job, if I had my way. But the world changes, even if the treaties don't. People can be given financial assistance and job retraining, just like guys from Boeing, Todd Shipyards, and Acme Buggy Whips. At least we don't have to face a lengthy, and worse, COSTLY court battle. We just need politicians that aren't whores to the commercial fishing industry. There are Demos and Repubs out there that ARE whores, we need to sniff them out and put pressure on them to change their evil ways, or risk the unemployment line themselves. I speak of "we" as if all sport anglers see things the way I do, and I know that's not the case. But I think I've thought this thing through a little more clearly than Gary Locke or John Carlson apparently have. Maybe not, but hey, when I become dictator (ha ha) it WILL be the way things are done!

Fish on....................

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RICH
& JG

Quickfish and sardines...never touched them. Just corkies and yarn for me. Whats your definition of coho water versus king water on the rivers? seems like we were getting both last year boondoggin in fast water and slow deep water alike. So I really dont quiet understand what you mean by targeting kings in my case. How can you target kings with the above mentioned set-up I use? sure you can sit in one place. But when your boondoggn and catching a silver, then a king, then another king, then another silver. I just don't see it. sorry. I'm not there to intentionally catching kings. And by the way I watched tons of folks specifically catching kings last year, sure you werent one of them? 6/0 gammis w/ egg gobs, give me a break, sounds like you might be the culprit.

Poor management from the Fish and Wildlife Dept. has ruined the Hoh for sportsman. They have obviously made another one of those "closed doors agreement" concerning that great river giving the natives a clear and undefenseable advantage. STOP THE NETTING!!! That's why I'll vote Carlson!

screaminreelron
I couldn't agree with you more. They can't blame poor or deteriorating habitat on the Hoh....out of the national park and glacier fed. Don't blame the ocean. It's been improving for several years and river returns bear this out...except the Hoh. Why? There is only one thing preventing this river from recovering..nets, nets, nets!!! I keep hearing "drop it" it's a dead horse. Nothing we can do. They may be right,but the consequences are so devastating not only for us but for all the young kids just starting to learn our great sport. The WDFG should also have to negotiate with us on seasons and allocations. I'm beginning to think they represent the commerials and the tribes. They played a huge role in managing into this mess and now they're going to manage us out of it. Maybe John Carlson can't really make a difference, but Locke had his chance and where are now?

Hohman I second that. I've fished that river for many years. The last five years it keeps getting worse. So I totally can't believe that you can't fish for Kings in the Spring and Summer when there is NETS in the river. Man it just does'nt make any sense to me.

I used to do well on the Hoh in years past. But recently in the last 5 years because of the nets, there hasn't been much to have on that river.

Given I had to drive out from Seattle to go fish it. Its not cool when I get there and find out they just pulled nets. That sucks.

My new writein vote for Gov...Dan S.
The only way we as Sportsman can make a difference is to get together and vote...stand up and be counted!!!

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