Are getting to be a phuggin joke, two very questionable shootings that look to be pretty shady. I guess as long as they go home safe to their families is all that counts We don't know all the details but I'm going with unjustifiable killings of two Men. I'm sure most here have seen the videos. Chits crazy.

These two new ones look pretty damn bad.

Just think of the thousands of these things that never did, and still don't come to light because there isn't a clear video.

Fish on...

Todd

As an aside...it looks like both of the deceased were legally carrying, and never drew their guns or posed a threat.

Where the fukk is the NRA and all of the open carry enthusiasts/zealots? They should be having press conference after press conference in support of the deceased.

I'm sure the fact that they are black and were shot by white policemen is just a weird coincidence.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm not sure why any black person would trust a cop. And it's getting more and more difficult for anyone to trust a cop.

Pretty sad!

And yea how many unjustified shootings occurred prior to smartphones??

The one shooting in LA, they had the perp down and in control on his stomach. Then the Cop shoots him twice in the chest and then four more times...then they walk over to him and grab the pistol out of his hands.

The other shooting we didn't see the start of it, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but doesn't look good on the surface.

I don't think the color of their skin is the deciding factor, you just hear about these more than a white cop shooting a white guy. The cops are just scared to do their job and become trigger happy. Probably combat vets previous to this. They should have never required cops to have a four year degree to be hired.

YO Dre,,,,, I got something to say!!!!

I am thinking that will be the black anthem this summer,,, "NWA, F$#k the police"..

Can't say I blame the black folks all to much,, their feeling of being victims who the police seem to out to exterminate, seem to be justified and almost valid.

Not just black, white trash are treated pretty much the same. It just doesn't make the news.

I didn't mean that the color of their skin is why it is or isn't on the news.

I meant that the black color of their skin is why the open carry nuts and the NRA aren't screaming at the white cops.

Lunatic shoots up a gay bar in Orlando...everyone should have been armed and we could have had a wild west shootout in a crowded bar and everything would have been great!

Legally carrying black men who pose no threat murdered by cops...well, those thugs shouldn't have had a gun and this wouldn't have happened.

Fish on...

Todd

Sounds like Sterling didn't have a sterling history....registered sex offender and many serious crimes. FWIW.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/alton-ster...facebook-watch/

Quick viewing of the Minnesota viewing leaves me sick. The man still has his seat belt on and no weapon is seen. How long would it take to step around the front of the car. Half a second? Much quicker, I am sure, than a man could reach back, pull out a gun and lean or shoot through the window with his seat belt on. The man supposedly had no warrants and the car had only a busted tail light. No reason for heightened security. If the officer was worried about the occupants, he could have called in and found out who he was dealing with. He could also have stepped back from the beginning and asked the man to step out of the car.

Sterling was a convicted sex offender on probation...

Todd+NRA=Hankster+Hillary.

Todd, stop arguing with yourself

And?

and what? you arent allowed to be in possession of a firearm if you have been convicted of a felony, let alone on fvckin probation...

thats strike 1 and 2 there...

Then WTF is he doing "legally" owning a handgun, not to mention having a Concealed Carry permit?

Somebody's lying here.

Castile WAS legal, he never had been arrested, in jail, or in trouble with the law...

Hard to argue with this.

I think why evo and I brought this up is because the media is making him sound like a great guy....shocking, huh. :>)

Very true, should come out in the wash.

I heard he had some petty stuff on his record....that's a no biggie to me.

What do the open carry folks, which are a very small fraction of gun owners have to do with this, since these both incidents were guns that were concealed.

I don't remember the NRA screaming about the Trayvon case. They tend to stay away from hot topics, they just want their dues.

Wake the fu.ck up. Fine - it's illegal to be on probation and possess a firearm. Does that mean it's OK to play judge, jury, and executioner if you're a cop?

Quit being a fuckin retard.

Agreed with Dan; the three strikes thing is your ticket to prison; not an early grave.

He pointed the gun at someone, that's why they came... He also resisted... Sterling was a fvckin idiot, didn't listen, and got shot...

Castile was a legal law abiding citizen that got shot....


Police in this country are afraid of blacks, and then blacks say "you should be", that's tall smart....

In Castiles case, he should have put his hands on the dash and kept them there, and made the cop remove the gun, Sterling shouldn't have been a POS, and should have not fought with the police while in possession of a firearm, and did what they told him to do... Also probably not a good idea to point guns at people....

What for?


The difference between me and you is I've lived through this sh!t, you've just watched it on tv....

Here's some more National Review for your stupid ass...




First, I presume that the officer is going to be on heightened alert since he’s run my plates, knows I have a carry permit, and assumes that I have a gun in my truck...


Second, As he approaches the truck, I make sure that he can see both my hands at all times and that I have my license, carry permit, insurance card, and registration already out and visible in my left hand.

Third, I greet him warmly and respectfully, apologize for my obvious wrongdoing, and immediately tell him if I have a weapon and where it is. (I don’t make any moves to point at it or show him where it is.)

Fourth, aside from handing him my identification, I keep both hands on the wheel — right in his line of vision.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437...gn=July7French2


Exactly what you are supposed to do, hands out, no movement, no jerking, no being
an asshole, Stfu and do what's asked and you go home allot quicker...

No Hank, but my friends are, some have been killed, and I've had police guns in my face before...

It's not fun, nor a time for argument...

Todd HERE is a link to a thread discussing this same topic on a firearms bulletin board and of all of the posting none resemble your descriptions that you posted in the above quotes in fact they almost all seem to be well reasoned.

Imagine that.

no surprise.

Fvck off scrub...

fuk you too you dumb trailer trash hill person.

you're the lowest of the low, a wigger from pierce county, almost as bad as 2mandy in lewis county basically a coin flip of inbred.

I was born in the CD idiot....

even worse.

inb4 lawyering up, like your crazy uncle.

Your dad should have been outb4 you happened....

Your dad should have raised you to be a Man.

Viewed both videos. Almost seems like cops shouldn't be able to carry a firearm.

You know what's funny, you people say stupid sh!t like that, all cops are bad after a few shoot people, blah blah blah, and all is well, you even have some moronic fvckin followers that will say the same stupid stuff.... Few cops, all cops...


But when a few Muslims do worse sh!t, and someone blames all Muslims, you say they are racist...

Seems legit....

And Jake, Stfu, you know nothing about me, as usual...

I must have missed the part where I said all cops are bad.

Police officer is an occupation not a race or religion. Cops should not be killing people.

I would say a person blaming all Muslim's for an individual's actions is bigoted, not racist.

I know you are a fuckin loser Nate.

I said you people, and you automatically thought I was talking about you....


You are a fuckin idiot is what you are....


Occupations are choices, just like religion....

And civilians shouldn't be killing people or cops, so make them stop and everything will be prefect...


Get on it..

LOL.


You are proof. Get a job Nate.


"You people" sounds racist by the way.

Can't call people that without having a reason...


You'll do it anyways tho...

They have to equip all officers with body cameras, should be mandatory.

the officers in the Sterling shooting did have body cams, they fell off tho during the fight....

still cant believe some people are defending a FELON with a FIREARM...

isnt that whats the problem with guns in America? "bad guys" getting ahold of them too easily?

and yall are defending him?

Sounds like some Cops were killed just now in Dallas.

http://theinformedamerican.net/multiple-officers-shot-dallas-tx/

dont know Hank, maybe cuz its new technology and they havent worked all the bugs out attaching them to human beings instead of tripods....

or something like that...

who knows... mabe they were ripped off....

yes you are....


you have no case, all you do is talk...

keep talking....

3 to 6 cops shot at the Dallas protest.

2 gunmen with rifles. 1 "neutralized". 1 negotiating with cops. Shots on video were big boomers - prolly not 15's.

over 1k people are in front of the Columbia tower right now in DT Seattle....


sh!ts about to hit the fan....

Damn, 10 officers shot, three dead and three in critical. Not good.

you can watch the Seattle protest live right here...


https://www.facebook.com/RobKIRO7/videos/1005831596203314/

How can you say they weren't AR'S? Sounds bounce of buildings in urban cities. A 5.56 at 3800 fps are big boomers if hit with one.

Possibly could be buildings. They sounded larger than 5.62 to me. Who knows...

11 shot...

5.62?

All of this because of some reckless over zealous PIGS in other states. Talk about blood on their hands. This could all be a turning point with the way Cops do business. I feel sorry for 90% of Cops that are outstanding public servers.

Oops....

You beleive me yet??? Remember what have been saying since who know when, it may not be Tuesday but???

It sucks for the cops and their families but unless they had their heads in he sand they knew this was coming, I have warned all the ones I know that they should quit their jobs and move to a place where no one knows who hey are because they will be in danger, probably even targeted. none believed me in 2011 but I bet they are now..

I hope some of these cops get smart and walk away because things are not gojng to get any easier or safer for them, I am sure as hell glad I am out of it, I'd have constant diarrahea and anxiety if this was the country I was going to work n every day.

Good gravy Rich........

A microcosm of history of Mankind. You hit, I hit back. The Dallas cops had nothing to do with the latest batch of killing by cop, but paid the price nonetheless. A pox on all of them, cops and criminals alike.

My bad on the typo - was half asleep on the couch when typing last night...

Excuses......excuses..... I know of one individual here, who has made it 30+ years that way, and hasn't had a typo or job yet

I was listening to the news this morning, and heard the excuse that cops are so extra vigilante because so many of them are getting killed. So, I took a look at the numbers. On general, of the approximate 900,000 officers, about 45 are killed each year, or about 0.00016%. In contrast, of the general population, about 41 or so are murdered for 900,000. I would guess that if we took out the babies, invalids and such, our chance of being murdered are as high or higher than an officer getting killed. I wonder how scared we should be.

This year appears to be bit higher, with 28 killed by gun violence so far. But then, they have killed over a 628 so far this year, so the numbers do appear to be in their favor. I do realize that almost all 628 probably deserved what they got and that the 28 probably did not, but this statement that they are so scared really is questionable. Each one of us probably has a similar or higher chance of being killed each day, and we do not choose to put ourselves into that position, nor do we get paid to do so.

WTF was that Miami cop thinking???

How anyone, cop or not, can walk up on that scene I see either the black guy or the autistic child as a threat is totally mind boggling. And now the Union Chief is saying the cop was trying to shoot the autistic kid because he was a threat to the black guy who he ended up shooting???

WTF!

Are cops drug tested?

Generally, around here the police unions have fought hard to prevent random drug testing. After an accident or shooting they are but not randomly like the kid at Safeway that bags my groceries. Cops are beyond reproach and drug testing them would just be a huge waste of time and money. The money saved can be used to pay for the lawsuits and settlements for police misconduct. Win-Win.tic

The libitards shoot themselves in the foot by being so pro-Union... Which creates a safe haven for these [Bleeeeep!] cops that need to go. Unions protect the good but they also protect the bad. The same goes with teachers... The only thing that seems cause teachers to lose their job these days is doinkin' a kid... And it's a shame that most of the time it seems to be the hot teachers.

IMO, departments need to more heavily invest in community oriented policing. They also need to reconsider their hiring practices and not so heavily favor hiring fresh vets who have yet to fully reintegrate back into society with the skill set that police officers need nowadays. De-militarizing the police can start with not hiring so many ex military to begin with. Having been through the hiring process myself with almost a masters degree, relatable experience, top scores on the written and physical tests, and passing the oral board interviews and background checks while still not getting a job demonstrates a clear flaw in the hiring system. 0.02


Streamer

Good post Streamer. Spot on with the deficiencies of the hiring process and the role of unions covering up the crimes committed by their members.

The cops have fostered the us vs. them attitude and it's biting them in the ass now. I've always been on the side of the law which is perhaps why I dislike most cops. They think they're above the law and usually they are. Historically I was the kind of guy that would jump in to help a cop struggling with a suspect but not anymore. I won't risk getting shot by a responding cop with an itchy trigger finger, instead I'll stand back and watch, not knowing who is right and who is wrong. It's no longer the case that the guy with the badge is a good guy.

BLM uses the wrong cases in which to illustrate the problem belying their grievances and their tactics don't further their cause. They do however highlight the problem of morally unjustifiable use of deadly force. The most disenfranchised elements of society are the barometer of the injustices suffered by all. While I disagree with virtually everything that the BLM does, I don't disagree with their underlying message. Black lives matter, but not just in death. Gangbangers live by the sword and die by the sword, irregardless of who wields that sword.

The excuse in Miami is so inane it pitiful. Lets see, the sniper missed by close to 10 feet from less than 50 yards away, shooting the man he was "protecting" I guess he rolled him over and handcuffed him afterwards so he did not struggle to much with the medics.

What's worse, shooting an unarmed man or having trained snipers that can not make a 50 yard shot?

To answer your question Krijack about what's worse? I'd say a cop with no trigger control or discipline is worse.

And I would agree with you 100%.

Fish on...

Todd

A cop with no control is hopefully an isolated incident that will be discovered and weeded out. A police force that trains it best and ends up with officers that can not make a 50 yard shot and as a group can not make rational decisions,and is then backed up by a leadership that tries to defend such actions, points to an incompetent force from the top down, and a group that is totally out of touch with reality. One that thinks it is above responsibility for its mistakes or bad decisions. I think more and more we have reached that type of police force. And that does scare me more than one bad cop.