Hohwian' Hope you got tasty hats. The number of stories about broken Eagle claw hooks is probably like the stars in the sky whos counting.
All hooks break as they all have seconds that make it through the inspection loop. Just be thankful guys that they are so much better now than they were a few years ago.
I look at the average quality that is present in todays market and it never ceases to amaze me. Regarding hooks we have truly never had it so good.

Last time this thread was on here I think it got up to 100 replies. All I know is you are never going to make everyone happy all the time. What I do know is that Vision hooks is growing faster than We can keep up with, Our sucesses far out way our failures and that just about every gammy staffer is now a Vision staffer and anyone who sends me request for hooks usaully gets them. I recieve 100 or so request a week that I turn into the whare house for shipping, if you did not get your samples then let me know through an e-mail but do not attack me personally, do I do that to You, No! As far as the hooks breaking, no way, I have broken many gamaktsu before visions while testing hooks head to head, so if you broke a vision, then you would have broke a gammy before the vision broke. We went into the market place with one thing in mind. To sell a high quality hook at a price everyone can afford, which we have been succesful at. Now we are growing having added jig hooks, Worm hooks, offset worm hooks and the si-wash are on the way. Soon there will be fly hooks. That is the great thing about this country , we can buy and use whatever we want.
Peace Superfly

Superfly, in 11 yrs of guiding I have used Gammies almost exclusively, in that time I cannot remember bending more then just a handful of hooks, most were on large halibut. I tried vision hooks for the first week of this past season and bent 2 on sub 30lb. kings, also, I bought 2 boxes of 1000 gammies this spring, first box I had 3 bad hooks, second box had 2, bought 100 Vision and had 8 bad hooks, sorry, your QC just doesn't cut it for me.

C'mon "AKkings" ! Eight hooks out of 1000? compared to three? Look at the price difference. You're still coming out way ahead. Did those "sub 30lb. kings" make it into the boat? and if so did you notice the bend only after using your pliers to remove the deeply imbedded hook? If you're honest with yourself I think that the answers to those questions are "yes" and you are slamming a new product that can only force gammi to lower their prices and raise their quality. Long live competition! Vision Hooks are still the best hook for the buck. Good Luck!

TJN, I released both fish using a shaker stick (if you know how to use them which I do,you don't bend hooks) I'm sure they were both bent before I released the fish. As for price, as a guide I'm going to use the best hook I can find at any price because I will be tipped according to what I put in the box, maybe you don't mind losing an occasional fish if it means saving a little money, but I can't afford to.

TJN,

Wasn't that 3 hooks out of 1000 vs. 8 hooks out of 100? That's a .3% defect rate vs. an 8% defect rate. That IS a significant difference. The question is, is it significant enough when you consider the difference in price? Face it, quality control costs money, and those increased production costs will be reflected in the price of the hooks. While I think the price of Gammy hooks reflects their name recognition, as well as high quality control, I also think they have a good product. Since I don't use more than 5-600 hooks a year, if that, the cost of Gammies is small change in my fishing budget.

Fish on......

My mistake, I read that 100 as 1000. Sorry about the error. I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this one. I've been using gammi's ever since Mustad stopped sharpening their hooks in the early 1980's (Mustad has since re-started sharpening their hooks) However, the price of gammi's has always stuck in my craw which is why I switched to Vision. I too am a guide and if I thought for one second that Visions were costing me fish I would'nt use 'em. But I do use 'em and I highly recommend Vision hooks. Good Luck!

O.K. ...nobody yell at me...but I use VMC treblehooks and Ive never had a problem. They seem sharp(i file everything anyway)and I can't recall them ever bending out. Don't care much for their single hooks because of the style (shank seems too long for the amount of gap). But most of all, I can spell the name when someone asks me what brand I use...V M C ya, thats it, VMC! Gami caps shoe...Gami cats chew... Gami..is that you? Naw, I can afford the expensive stingers. I just can't take the embarrassment of mis pronounciation.....pro nun see ay tion?