I was wondering if anyone out there has any way of getting these silvers to bite? Is eggs the best and what scents do you use on chinooks and silvers?

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Maybe a better question is there any bite enhancers out there that get silvers to bite? Whats best to use when silvers and chinook get lock jawed?

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C'mon I'm serious guys no one out there has replied. What are some of the hot scents for silvers and chinooks????

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Kings like baitfish.....think I smell one of them now

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Marty
Steelheader.net marty@steelheader.net

Fellet some hering and soak it in ainse oil and approx 7 sec spray of WD-40. I have not used this yet but am going to try it on sat. I think I heard about it on this BB!!

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Sockeye

Stlhdr1 - I noticed back aways you posted back to Kalamabama that you hammered bunches of 'Nooks and silvers on the Kalama using a special sauce scent on your eggs from your white Koffler. You've posted for other's ideas here. Since you brought up the subject, perhaps if you share the ingredients of that sauce with us you will be reciprocated with some definite strike enhancers. - RT

Gee, demand and take but no giving back? Hmmm. Kinda thought so (unless you're out of town or haven't accessed the BB, then please excuse - and check 'buds' "egg cureing" post thread) On your egg cure offer there, my feet are size 12's. Please brush your teeth before you pucker. (just kidding around - maybe)




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SORRY REAL TRUTH didn't mean to leave you hanging I haven't had the opportunity to frequent my email. Gotta work and fish you know. The reason I ask is I wanted to know how much people really know and if they really have any idea about what scents can do for them. Well I should back up my mouth and a small pointer is RUBBING ALCOHOL and other ingredients.... Can't say much more but that should perk up the ears and get people moving... I just can't say much more it wouldn't be a secret..
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Haven't heard of anybody using rubbing alchol except for cleaning your hands or other biological cleaning. A fish attractant??????? Ok you threw the bone I bit...whats up.

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Marty
Steelheader.net marty@steelheader.net

Well smilesforu its something that if played with enough you may find it as one of the best bite enhancers in the fishing world... ONE WORD FOR YOU ALL DISPERSION!!!! I've actually produced a SAUCE that works wonders on chinooks and silver and didn't know how much people really knew, and its not that I don't want to share it its that it has taken me since I was 12 years old and about 250-300 days a year worth the fishing to come up with it but if you think DISPERSION you will be able to produce great bite enhancers yourself.!!!
REEL TRUTH I would love to have you email me so we could chat and possibly go fishing I would love to get in a nice deep hole full of chinooks and silvers and show you what this stuff will do. stlhdr1@hotmail.com

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Kind of a steelhead perfume. Maybe I should use some dawn dishsoap for the ultimate dispersion of my favorite oils in water. I already use borax and the fish bite so they must not be turned off by soaps. Interesting idea you presented.

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Steelheader.net marty@steelheader.net

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Hey reel truth quick question for you, its sure odd how the recent Salmon trout and steelheader says what you had posted earlier about the sodium nitrate and tuna oil was that you or are you just a quick reader and typer.... HA HA

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Reel truth I was just playing but I would love to bring out some of this perfume for you to try on the silvers and chinook email me stlhdr1@hotmail.com

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Some things I like about you w/o even having met you St 1. You are very enthusiastic, like to experiment a lot, and you have the watertime to put in to make those qualities pay off. I used to put in the 300+ fishing days per year back before and during my fulltime guiding days. From there a taper off to a couple hundred. And more taper off for several years. Now I can only get out about 1 to 3 times per week during the peak of seasons. That whole life fishing frequency scenario kinda reflects life's sexual frequency a bit too; both really slow down after you get married (jk - or not - I'm 51 going on 31 actually). - Anyway, for me that's just enough fishing to have fun and keep up on what's working and to do a little experimenting. BTW, the Tillamook 'Nook article in STS is mine, so no quick copying here. I'm also finishing up on my first book which is a lot more tech intensive than the mag article; to be entitled "The REEL TRUTH", thus my BB moniker. I would like to get out fishing with a guy like you and will; just have to work it in to a very busy schedule so keep in touch via e-mail. - As for King (and to a lesser degree steelhead) scents, we are finding out so many things that they either like so strike or dislike to such a degree they strike at it to get it out of their territory. Are you aware that these fish not only strike at egg clusters because they like them and they are a natural food to them, but fishery biologist's strongly theorize that they also strike eggs due to an evolutionary developed instinct to "hit" other eggs to void the competition for their own eggs/offspring. That theory would lend well to why these fish will hit things that defy logic; such as WD40 or alcohol. Those certainly don't resemble the smell of food to them and could be considered to be somewhat of an offensive oder. Not just to fish either! Since I don't have the time to experiment properly thorough enough with some very good ideas I've come up with, I would like to have trusted good fishermen that do have enough water time to do it for me and report the results. I have thought about starting that on our website at www.ifish.net , (then to the Reel Truth BB). Let me ask/suggest a couple things of you. If you like the dispersion qualities of rubbing alcohol in scents, how do you think a 50% gel solution of DMSO would work? Have you tried putting Cravex Plus, the only scientifically proven fish appetite stimulator, into a slow dispersion medium for use in scents or on bait for slower moving water King fishing? There are so many things that work that some serious fishermen know about, but I have a strong hunch that there are a lot more that would work that none of us know about; yet! I'll be in contact. Take care and thanks for the shot of enthusiasm. That's cool! - RT (Steve Hanson) - Warning: Don't let DMSO come in contact with your skin! Especially if if has any chems in it!!

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I think what stlhdr1 has been alluding to is that alcohol breaks down oils making them water soluble and much more effective as an attractant. But hey, this is no big secret. A good scent that I'll be happy to share is vodka mixed with anise oil injected into herring or anchovies.

Peace Out....

I put some alchol in a small bottle and added some shrimp oil....shook well. The oil disolved in the bottle. I then added some sardine oil...shook well. The sardine oil settles back to the bottom in a lump. So I added a couple drops of Dawn dish soap. Sure enough that dissolved the sardine oil. Only the sediment settled this time . I think I got way to much alcohol mixed in. I can now be a walking hospital instead of a fish factory...hmm I think I will use tequilla instead next time. If it doesn't catch fish I can always drink you juice..hehe Ok what kind of ratios are you using on these mixes.
Tight Lines
Edit update: After letting settle for a longer time period the sardine oil has resettled to the bottom. Perhaps it just needs to be shook before application.

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Steelheader.net marty@steelheader.net

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Warning: don't let DMSO come in contact with anyone's skin; especially if it has other chemicals disolved within it! (experimental stage)

Thanks Ho and Marty. I think breaking down baitscents to disperse faster will have it's advantages in some types of water conditions, but the bait will not milk out scent for as long. And salmon don't need to have it solvent degraded in order to smell it; they do have great olfactory senses! I agree about the oil break down dispersion property of alcohol. It probably works as well on eggs as your experiment on shrimp Marty. Sardine oil has a thicker viscosity, so harder to break down (and harder to get the oder off your hands). Try those bottle experiments with WD40 and a 70% strength liquid DMSO Marty (90% is likely too hot), and let us know the results on some eggs as well as the shrimp and sardine. Compare the results with alcohol. I think those 2 things will break down the oils, as does rubbing alcohol, without having the inherant costic properties that could bother some fish; but obviously not others. I have not had the watertime to come up with definitive results with experimenting with clammy/fishy smelling DMSO yet. Have to be careful with that stuff. But we all know that WD40 has worked well for years on such as herring, shrimp, and eggs. I believe it's because it will do a similar oil break down dispersion function as alcohol, but it is less costic and more fishy smelling. However, alcohol may change as rapidly underwater as it does in the air. So I would like to hear more about it from St.1. - RT

Well you guys are right on track as far as the dipersion thing works out. But what I don't understand is what is DMSO. I have never heard of that before. I just want to let you all know that alcohol is just the start of it and to keep your eyes and ears open, and don't forget to keep squirting those baits with them sauces....

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Curious as to what DMSO is/stands for. Also, where you can get it. I've used WD40 for years and know it can do wonders. Halibut definitely react towards it. Thanks for the insite. This has been a great thread.

Steve

Curious as to what DMSO is/stands for. Also, where you can get it. I've used WD40 for years and know it can do wonders. Halibut definitely react towards it. Thanks for the insite. This has been a great thread.

Steve