I'm looking forward to The "Donald" making that witch come unhinged. Should be good entertainment.

'unhinged'

I see what you did there. some quality cabinet humor.

watkins with some solid work right there.

Debate prediction:

Trump will say virtually nothing about anything to do with actually being President.

Trump will be asked about several of his flip flops and lies, and will obfuscate about them.

Trump will claim the debate was rigged when it is all over, and his stupid sycophants, including those here, will agree with him.

Fish on...

Todd

Dilbert is now for Trump.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-25...dorsement-trump

Glenn Beck had a meltdown when Cruz endorsed Trump.

As long as Hillary can stay conscious for 90 minutes she'll win.

But that's a 50/50 proposition at this point.

Glen Beck? A meltdown?

Sure we are talking about the same Glen Beck?

He's usually so calm, collected and not crazy.

Fish on...

Todd

Trump will do fine, Hillary will do fine (and not collapse), the MSM will predictably declare it a clear victory by Hillary and nobody will give a [Bleeeeep!] by Tuesday morning..... when everyone can go back to the contemplation of voting for the lesser of two evils.

I dont expect any fireworks, but I hope I'm wrong.

Ah yes, that's right...the Arsehole Super Bowl is tonight. What's the latest spread? The over / under on personal insults and out-right lies? Is Hilldog still on IR or has she been cleared to play? Any word on if Trump will kneel during the National Anthem?

I can't listen to Beck, but someone posted his reaction to Cruz's flipflop.

Knee slapper.

Interesting Trump endorsement.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/nationa...aign=manualpost

I will be tuning in and it will be much of the same as we've already seen. Trump babbling about things sounding very uneducated, Hillary lying about everything that she spews from her garbage hole, and Johnson sitting on the sidelines despite most people wanting to see him in the debate since D's and R's don't want Johnson destroying Trump and Clinton which he would easily do.

Richie Gee will follow up with posts on the dark side later tonight about the debates regurgitating Trump's babble and praising it. Todd will respond by following his D party loyalty and call Trump and Richie dumbphucks while offering nothing substantial in the form of supporting Hillary because even he can't stand her. Wankster and Slow Dunce will criticize Hillary, Dan S. Will call them out on being ignorant Trump supporters like Richie, then threaten to light them on fire. Quilcene Queen/KK will jump in the mix and bash the Trump supporters, then Stam will make fun of QQ/KK and then he wil go quiet again.

That's my prediction.


Streamer

Far be it from me to defend Hillary Clinton, but I will at least defend the truth...and here it is:

Gary Johnson and Hillary lie/tell the truth at about the same rate.

Donald Trump and all pathological liars lie/tell the truth at about the same rate.

I know it's a right wing talking point to call Clinton names and call her a liar, but the fact is, she is among the most truthful running for President, and Trump is by far the least truthful...ever.

Not just this cycle, but ever.

In the below lists the various statements by the candidates are factchecked and tallied...the numbers for Johnson are probably skewed in weird directions because the overall amount of statements he has made is so low compared to Trump or Clinton, but the trends are pretty clear.

From Politifact:

Statements verified as "True":

Johnson 1%
Clinton 22%
Trump 4%

Statements verified as "Mostly True"

Johnson 38%
Clinton 28%
Trump 11%

Statements verified as "Half True"

Johnson 25%
Clinton 22%
Trump 15%

Statements verified as "Mostly False"

Johnson 19%
Clinton 15%
Trump 17%

Statements verified as "False"

Johnson 13%
Clinton 11%
Trump 34%

Statements verified as "Pants on Fire"

Johnson 0%
Clinton 2%
Trump 18%

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/gary-johnson/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Now this stuff has been public record all along, and everyone who is smarter than a burned out cedar stump knows it...it's been out there all along.

Hillary is the most truthful of the three candidates, followed very closely by Johnson.

Trump is a pathological liar, and there is no way to interpret his insistence on making up "facts" any other way.

Of course, Trump's followers don't care...after all, they vote Republican, and facts and Republicans have always had a pretty rocky relationship...though this cycle they are not only doubling down on making it all up, they are quadrupling down on it.

I don't think there's any need to go into how unqualified Trump is to be President...besides being a liar, he's an egomaniacal con man, an oversensitive blowhard, and a Grade A Asshole. That's in addition to knowing nothing about foreign or domestic policy, immigration, jobs, or the economy.

Gary Johnson also has shown a rather anemic knowledge of the world at all, at least outside of New Mexico, that bastion of both smart and knowledgeable politicians.

I don't care if you want to support a ridiculous candidate like Trump...knock yourself out, idiots have been being taken in by con men since time in memorium, and as long as there are people there will be idiots, and as long as there are idiots, there will me con men like Donald Trump.

I also don't care if you want to vote for Johnson as a "viable third party candidate"...even though we all know he is nothing of the sort.

Protest vote? Sure, if that's what you want to do. Qualified to be President? Hardly.

I am also amazed at the brilliance and logic, not to mention extensive knowledge that all of the experts here have about all the times Hillary has lied, cheated, murdered, and stole the world...you all should run for Congress, because in 25 years, dozens of investigations, and over HALF A BILLION IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS, Republicans have managed to pin exactly "nothing" on her to support their claims.

It's ok to be an idiot, it's ok to vote against all reason and logic, but it's not ok just to make up facts.

Carry on.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. I am sure Politifact is now a "liberal biased media!" or something of the sort...look up any and all other nonpartisan fact checking organizations and they all look just like Politifact's above.

It will be interesting to see Bloombert fact check the debate in real time tonight...I am certain Trump will be lying even more than usual, and I'm sure his moronic followers will be eating it up, lies and all, in a big, fat shitsandwich.

Holy sh.it I just laughed so hard I damn near swallowed my dip.

But seriously.......seriously

Let's get ready to rumble.....It's really pathetic that it comes down to these choices, really sad. Sounds like the Attention whore Mark Cuban has a front row seat, what a tool.

Streamer, that post was solid.

Like I said...dimwits like RvW and facts parted ways decades ago.

They're just numbers, not made up opinions...that's why Republicans don't like them.

Maybe you can shed some light on your "facts" that make it so funny?

Doubt it.

Fish on...

Todd

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

I tried to look up Ms. Clinton's lies, but it's going to take a little longer to download. Really though, what difference does it make?

Cough, hack, cough, here comes a lung.

FYI - CSPAN will have it on candidate split screen + without all the partisan hack BS of the other major "news" channels.

Good call. I wish Tim Russert was still around. He seemed to be less B.S. and refreshing compared to today's pundits.

I think The Donald blew an entire eight ball up his nose in the green room.

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Todd

There are so many combined drugs on that stage, it makes Burning Man look like Mormon Bible school . Big Pharma is really missing out on some ad dollars here. Think Nascar.

Agreed. Looking for full disclosure, for research reasons only.

I would like to know why we drug test laborers, but presidential candidates are free to partake as they wish. Lol.

Honestly, I think Ms. Clinton won by a hair, but I won't vote for her.

Nobody won that chit show. But I do know who lost. America. You. Me. Your Neighbor. Your dog. We are all so very doomed.

" Super Predator" KA POW !

I bet The Donald ramped up his lack of facts considerably tonight... percentage wise, he was even worse than his usual atrocious record.

The guy is a pathological liar, and doesn't care... because his supporters don't care.

Fish on...

Todd

He should fit right in nicely then.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...mp-truth-o-met/

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Todd

If Trump wasn't doing blow, then his sniffling and snorting is probably indicative of pneumonia, rubella, club foot, and general douchebaggery. I wonder if Dr. Oz will speak to this.

Hank, lame strawman argument yet again, as usual a weak effort.

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Todd

Very solid.

Still not going to vote another Clinton.

Todd,
are you really looking for an argument against voting for Ms. Hillary?

Just encouraging folks to use facts when they make their decisions... apparently not a popular idea among Trump voters, or Republicans in general.

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Todd

Hank missed the debate but he never misses a chance to fag out a thread.

Republicans are an indictment of the public education system.....

Frank, How'd you like Billarys 9ers red cardigan?

Blow? you're getting him confused with Barry. Trump has never even drank. He's way to sharp to be doing drugs, go to Aberdeen and you'll see what I mean.

Steelspanker....lol, the gayest name on PP. Tell us how you spank them.

I could only stomach about 30 minutes. I thought I'd find it entertaining but just got disgusted instead. I wish I could vote against one without voting for the other.

I fell asleep halfway through. Disgusting is right.....What a joke. I think I went unconscious about the time Billary was accusing Rumpster of not showing his tax return, then the lost emails came up...... We the people are screwed, indeed

With all of Hillary's vast knowledge and experience how the F U C K did we get to the pathetic place we are at today?

Citizens united.
Corporations are people and money is free speech.

As long as you can buy elections and congressmen we will continue to go the wrong direction.

Publicly funded elections and term limits are what is needed.

Fish on...

Todd

I saw today that Trump is already complaining about the debate being rigged as the reason why he got thrashed last night.

How was it rigged, you might ask?

They gave him a defective microphone...you know, the one that he used to rant incomprehensibly and interupt incessantly for 90 minutes?

The only thing defective about that microphone, from Trump's perspective, is that it worked and we could all hear him. He would have been much better off if it had not worked at all.

Poor guy. Hillary was mean to him, nice sensitive man like that, and then they gave him a microphone that worked.

So much for the "party of personal responsibility"...

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Todd

Hillary was the Dictator, Jerry?

Derp.

I was on the river when the debate started last night. A couple guys I was talking to actually went home to watch it. I warned them crapoy salmon fishing would be far better entertainment.

The fishing was really crappy, but come on, people....

Derp?

Agree completely with this (and only this) statement from Todd. What is beyond pathetically ignorant is thinking that Hilary will change it or even wants to change it. She is the personification of big money in politics and the ugly face of everything that's wrong in politics. Through her granting favors to those that contributed to her foundation she has single handedly sold America and our security and prosperity to the highest bidder. She has gone from a negative net worth after Billy Jeff left office and they pilfered the whitehouse to being worth hundreds of millions of dollars today. All through her foundation that hasn't donated even 5% of their donations to those in need. The foundations that the Clinton family set up are strictly for them to get rich from and peddle influence.

To say that money in politics is what's wrong with our country and then turn around and support and vote for Hilary is not only the height of partisan politics but it's beyond ignorant. Ignorant, partisan fistfu.cks that vote for Hilary while thinking they're helping to right the wrongs of the ignorant, partisan, fistfu.cks they elected illustrates how truly stupid the Hilary supporters are.

It was the Supreme Court that decided corporations were people and money is free speech.
So which candidate would appoint new Justices that would over turn that terrible decision?

Why do you hate 'Merca so much?

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Todd

If you think that Hilary's priorities regarding the SCOTUS are to appoint judges that directly impact her pocket book you are beyond an ignorant fistfu.ck and entertaining quilcene queef territory. She doesn't have any intention of overturning citizens united. Why would the biggest benefactor of citizens united want to overturn her cash cow?

Her number 1 priority (according to her) is to rewrite the constitution, especially as it relates to the 2A.

I ask myself that question of democrats constantly. It's obvious from the behavior of animals i.e. Charlotte, Dallas, Baltimore, Ferguson etc, etc that hate is the motivating factor with democrats. Hate and guilt is the fuel that powers the democrat machine.

Let's make America hate again

It's been a while since I read the dissenting opinion but I'm pretty sure it spelled out exactly how Congress could define citizen as a living breathing human.

So I don't think it requires any new justices, or a constitutional amendment, just a better written law.

So what happens if the Republicans lose control of the House and Senate?

I am still not sure who I will vote for, but I think that Trump probably picked up more than Hillary. Why, because there are a lot of People who felt he was a complete wack job. By doing a decent job and not losing it, he may convince a few to vote for him. Hillary had to hit it out of the ball park to gain ground, in my opinion. The debate may solidify people who are die-hards, but what does it do for people who hate Hillary but can not stomach who they think Trump is. I think that's the real question. For that reason I give the debate to Trump, even though on points it appears he lost.

In any case, I think Trump missed a couple of soft balls. Hillary went off on how Russia and other countries were using computer hacking and how we need to do something. This, from the secretary of state who presumably should be doing something. How he could not ask her why nothing had been done yet was a huge error. Isn't that her current job? I guess she could have blamed Obama and but I don't think that would have went over well.

Unfortunately the only people who think Trump won the debate are people who were already committed to voting for him.

The rest of the country...does not.

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Todd

The all knowing 538 just said that if the election was held today Trump kicks cankles in the cu.nt....meaning he wins. His numbers are going up and her numbers are going down.

Still plenty of time but the multiple terrorist attacks don't seem to be helping Hilary as much as she'd hoped. Weird...

Debate fact check:

“[NAFTA] is the single worst trade deal ever approved in this country.” -Donald Trump

This is false. The worst trade deal in this country’s history was when the SuperSonics dealt Scottie Pippen to the Bulls for Olden Polynice.

Fact check of last nights debate winner....

CBS Poll...Trump 60.5% Cu.nt 39.5%
Slate.....Trump 55%. Cu.nt 45%
Fortune.....Trump 52%. [Bleeeeep!] 48%
Etc, etc, etc

Of course I did, how else do you think I make up all that bullschit I come up with?

Can we deport derps, or is that racist?

Probably but we have a treaty with Derpistan so it's up to NATO.

I can dig it. Derps in our area seem to be friendly. I'd be for deporting them anyway.

I'm just playing. Everyone is welcome. Just use the righthand lanes...

We can start with Sol Derp...... He's not racist at all

Looks like Hillary got under Donald's skin and proved the douchebag is unfit to be president.

Olden was apparently nice in many ways.

Good story......the machine is running scared. The last two of the three losers in the last debates have gone on and won the presidency.....fact check that headtomen.

And here we are after the second debate and the fat boy continues to make an ass out of himself. I have never in my 65 years seen a bigger dumb ass than him (except for Rich G.) He knows nothing about the complications of this world. He's a crook and a liar and a total piece of sh!t! He is about as qualified to run this country as Sol Duc.

I have no sympathy for Trump but.... I really hate how the corporate media can manipulate the citizens. I doubt there is a human alive that doesn't have something in their past that could not be exploited to bring them down in politics if they are not "in the club" of doing the biding of the owners. In this race all the dirt on Clinton gets swept under the rug and Trump gets hammered with his dirt 24/7. This is how they took the grass roots wind out of Howard Deans sails when he was criticizing the lying bastards that got us into this mess in the Middle East. If the tables were turned, just think how Bush could have been bashed with all the dirt in his past,but he was covered. The MSM is the most powerful tool there is for keep the owners boot on our neck and they use it to the max.

No way, there is no bias in the MSM......just ask Toff.

Or voter fraud....

But the silly little cry wolf ex-boy-lawyer can find racism in everything. Just imagine all the social justice he could have handed out if he wasn't dis-bared. He really could have made something of himself maybe even becoming a white Johnny Cochring if he hadn't Nicole Simpsoned his career.

Nowadays he spends his time setting people straight on the internet, insecurity must be a terrible albatross.

Why is it every time something goes wrong for Trump it's someone else's fault?

What does Todd and Bill Clinton have in common?
























































Both were disbarred from practicing law.

Have to be a real dumb [Bleeeeep!] to lose to Hillary

There is nothing wrong with Trump.

Why was Todd disbarred? Explains alot, you have to be a real piece to get disbarred. It means you had to piss of other lawyers Rea! Bad or you had to lie under oath where it could not be covered up.

So, if you think you might want to run for some sort of elected office, don't make a grab-ass tape with Billy Bush.
That could be the kill shot.

Todd was not dibarred. Todd stopped practicing and his license expired.

Fish on...

Todd

So RvW is full of sh!t?

Shocking.

Toff was de-barbed.

Lolol. I posted the Washington state bar association page here a few years back that corroborated my assertion, it was promptly removed by a protective moderator.

Just woke up one day and decided to hang it up after a few years of practice? I'll believe that when Hilary makes an honest statement. As I recall the WA BAR showed Todd as suspended so maybe it was suspended so long that retaking the necessary ethics classes was too much.

The license is suspended when you don't renew it.

Being disbarred is when they take it away because you did something illegal or unethical...you know, like made schit up like you are.

Fish on...

Todd

Todd, you're not a lawyer, or a mod? Geebus, you're welcome at my campfire.

You're not selling used cars, or running for Seattle city council?

Toff is a mod, make no mistake. And he wears mesh T-shirts. I read it on info wars.

What do Sol Dunce and Trump have in common?



They both started construction jobs they didn't finish and stiffed the customer.




Bringing up someone's profession is pretty skank, even for the DS.

Again RvW proves what a fuckin donkus he is.

Lol. Roasted.

That was a brutal roast. I can’t stoop so low as to attack a man about things related to his career... but I will certainly laugh if someone else does and it’s funny enough.

Why are you going all F4B on us tonight, Jakey?

He’ll delete his sh!t and become reefskunk the fourth. Fudge packer let’s it go cause he doesn’t want to lose his spot on the boat.

One can easily spot the conservatives on this board. They have the sandiest, saltiest vaginas, and almost no sense of humor. White grievance is strong with these no compliers.

Let's party likes it's 2045.

I’m in Illshee! At least one of us will be gone here next week.

Hell even if I win we both might be gone. That would probably be best for the darkside.

In the military you would be a single digit midget short timer.
And then KMAGYOYO, then your a dot.
I'd be stocking up on crying towels, two for one sale at bed bath and beyond.

I didn't get the title of "World's Best Bo Ho" by doing something so incredibly stupid as messing with the person who owns the boat.

Besides, I'm outta here soon enough and it will be up to Toff, Sky-Guy, NickD, and RichG to patrol this sack of rotten potatoes.

Couldn’t be more wrong, Ill-she. I will kick back with a beer on election night. I don’t care who wins... either way we are fukkked. I’ve already been mourning over all of the terrible presidents we’ve had the last several years. Both Democrats and Republicans. This isn’t new. Slick Willy was the last decent president we’ve had and he gets a “C-“ which isn’t great but certainly better than every president since who each deserve and “F” rating.

I hope you win so I get an easy way out of the darkside. Unlike Hank, I keep my bets. I won’t waste my time here anymore, and you can lead the leftist celebratory circle jerk for your grand “victory”.

Your superior intellect makes me laugh.

You could just go now

So could you crybaby. “Mr. Always has to have attention” Making your own threads to fish for how much you’re wanted by a bunch of Internet tough guys. Didn’t you try to leave several months ago?

But really I want to stick around long enough to fulfill my betting obligation to Illshee. He at least deserves some some type of victory celebration for winning the bet. It will be some of the only fulfillment in his otherwise mundane life. If I win, give Paker, Toof, Richie G, Evo (or whoever) full permission to ban me from the darkside indefinitely starting one week after Election Day.

If you lose you will want to stay gone.
Think Dan on steroids.

Why would anyone want to come back to this? You did see the part where I said I will basically be gone no matter what one week after the election, right?

Like Vern troyer all jacked up on mt. Dew?
Terrifying.

Terrified? Really? You must be melting right now......

Wankster didn’t terrify anybody and he was the biggest political troll here.

Terrified like all those Forks bada$$es were of a school bus with a family of four in it?

Waders seem extra moist today.

For sure. Sandy and moist.

Poor Steamer. He seems rattled.