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#965300 - 10/03/16 07:55 AM how are these terrorists caught so quick?
RICH G
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how are they identifying and catching these Islamic and domestic terrorists so quick?

In most cases they are not relying on the public as they are purposely misleading the public IE: the Cascade mall shooter.

it seems that when the Feds get involved they know exactly who these shooters are within 24 hours or less, generally all the evidence they have is grainy surveillance video.

So how are they doing it? Facial recognition or cell phone pinging? It's one of the two. I suspect it's cell phones, somehow they are identifying these shooters via their cell phones, the GPS info must be stored somehow and they can go back and cross reference it to the surveillance videos. Thats the only explanation I can think of.....

logically there is no way they should be able to identify and catch these guys so fast, they must be using some kind of illegal technology, because they can't identify and catch normal criminals that fast....

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#965302 - 10/03/16 08:41 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: RICH G
they must be using some kind of illegal technology, because they can't identify and catch normal criminals that fast....


If only they'd use some of this technology on Crooked Hillary.
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#965303 - 10/03/16 08:43 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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The FBI is catching these guys quickly after the fact because they know who they are. These dirtbags have been known and often interviewed and released by the FBI. The FBI continues to fail to be proactive, instead preferring to be reactionary. They've failed the American public over and over but serve their masters well.
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#965304 - 10/03/16 08:59 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Do you propose they arrest them before a crime is committed?

Shall we just bring back internment camps? And fill them with them others?
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#965305 - 10/03/16 09:30 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Do you propose they arrest them before a crime is committed?

Shall we just bring back internment camps? And fill them with them others?


Of course. As long as they are brown, at least.

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#965307 - 10/03/16 10:10 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: Kinetic Kwik]
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Originally Posted By: Kinetic Kwik
Originally Posted By: RICH G
how are they identifying and catching these Islamic and domestic terrorists so quick?

Most likely they are good at doing their job, and not incessantly trying take down their coworkers with false allegations.
Sound about right?

Did you get that life alert bracelet yet?


surprised you haven't deleted this yet or made it ..................

please kindly fuk yourself or be a man and stand behind your diatribe.
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#965308 - 10/03/16 10:18 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: dwatkins]
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#965309 - 10/03/16 10:21 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Do you propose they arrest them before a crime is committed?

Shall we just bring back internment camps? And fill them with them others?


Are you being serious, or is that your attempt at pithy? When a person makes a threat of violence against another person or group of person that is a crime. The FBI interviewed many of the past murderers because of threats they made. Once the FBI is aware that the person is a threat they should step up monitoring that person and deny the future purchase of weapons. What's so hard to understand about that very basic concept? When the FBI has been warned and fails to act that's a big problem.

Are you suggesting that threats of violence by ragheads should go unchecked? That the only way to act is after the known subject has killed innocent people. Perhaps you're of the opinion that if we banned guns the terrorists would be put out of business.

I know that this is a difficult thing for some "big thinkers" to wrap their little brain around but the FBI should take the threats seriously rather than dismiss them out of hand preferring instead to wait for the carnage before acting.
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#965310 - 10/03/16 11:48 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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That's hate speech and I feel threatened. You should be tossed in the clink and your ability to own/buy firearms needs to be revoked.

Do you not see the slippery slope???? Do you not want to live in a free society? Or is it up to you to decide who can live with the freedoms bestowed upon us all and who cannot? Or should that decision be left up to the FBI?
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#965312 - 10/03/16 11:54 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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#965316 - 10/03/16 12:20 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: RowVsWade]
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Don't sweat it RVW, dust buster has lost it recently. The answer to the question about how they caught the mall shooter so quickly is with the public's help, like in most cases.
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#965318 - 10/03/16 12:34 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Don't sweat it RVW. Sol Duc has your back.

I'm sure that makes you feel so much better!
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#965319 - 10/03/16 12:49 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
That's hate speech and I feel threatened. You should be tossed in the clink and your ability to own/buy firearms needs to be revoked.

Do you not see the slippery slope???? Do you not want to live in a free society? Or is it up to you to decide who can live with the freedoms bestowed upon us all and who cannot? Or should that decision be left up to the FBI?



Lolol. You've lost it buster. Your incoherent ramblings aimed to please the liberals is pure stupidity. Investigating and following up on threats of mass violence is hardly a slippery slope. In fact it's one of the tasks assigned to law enforcement. There's a lot of territory in between investigating threats of violence and internment camps but I don't expect you to know that, only folks that don't have their head stuck up a liberals ass. If you want to articulate your ridiculous logic feel free to try but if you insist on looking like a jackass then congratulations, you've succeeded.

What is your specific problem with the FBI doing their job and being held accountable when they don't? Is it your belief that investigating crimes is racist?
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#965320 - 10/03/16 12:51 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Don't sweat it RVW. Sol Duc has your back.

I'm sure that makes you feel so much better!


I'd rather have someone like Sol Duc having my back than a clueless fu.ck that thinks everything ends in internment camps.
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#965322 - 10/03/16 01:13 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Don't sweat it RVW. Sol Duc has your back.

I'm sure that makes you feel so much better!

I feel about the same actually, got into some fish yesterday and will hit it again in a few hours when the the tide comes in. I love being so close to the hump and Copalis rivers. I'll never go back anywhere near the city again. I released a nice Sea run cutty around 18" yesterday.
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#965323 - 10/03/16 02:02 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Not sure how arguing against a police state is a liberal idea? In fact I'd think arguing that one should be able to live their life without fear of the thought police dropping the hammer on them is a pretty conservative argument.

If someone breaks federal law I hope the FBI nails them. But short of actually committing a crime I'm not sure what any LE group can do about it.

We can't police intent without first suspending civil rights.

LE investigates crimes they don't prevent them. And arguing that they should be stopping them is an incredibly scary thought to me that could spin out of control extremely quickly.

Not sure why that is so difficult a thing to understand. Your argument is sound right up until the time you are the target of that argument.
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#965324 - 10/03/16 02:15 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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so then if cops dont prevent crimes, and they "serve and protect us", its our jobs as American citizens to stop crimes correct?

do you see where im about to go with this?
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#965325 - 10/03/16 02:26 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo
so then if cops dont prevent crimes, and they "serve and protect us", its our jobs as American citizens to stop crimes correct?

do you see where im about to go with this?



Not anywhere near a full time job, that's for sure.

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#965329 - 10/03/16 02:33 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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why dont you go douche that mossy oak pussy of yours....
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#965331 - 10/03/16 02:43 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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So where ya goin?

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#965335 - 10/03/16 02:52 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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I've always been pro LE, that has faded in the last decade or more. I have to tell myself that 90% do a hard job well. I hope that number isn't a whole lot lower, maybe it is, who knows.
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#965337 - 10/03/16 03:04 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo
so then if cops dont prevent crimes, and they "serve and protect us", its our jobs as American citizens to stop crimes correct?

do you see where im about to go with this?


Yes. Private citizens stop crimes every day even if all we do is lock our doors when we leave the house.

And yes, that also means I think gun free zones is an idiotic idea.
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#965338 - 10/03/16 03:07 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: BroodBuster]
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Gun free zones kill people. Every study will confirm this.
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#965342 - 10/03/16 04:46 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Careful being a gun advocate and pushing studies...they aren't good for your wants.

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#965363 - 10/04/16 09:24 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Careful being a gun advocate and pushing studies...they aren't good for your wants.

There is no doubt that studies can be cited that make gun control seem to be productive in reducing violence.

There is no doubt that studies can be cited that make gun control seem to be counterproductive in reducing violence.

There is no doubt that a study can be designed to produce a desired result.

There is no doubt that if a study does not produce the desired results that it can be massaged or redesigned or not be published.

And don't forget, "God may have made men, but Samuel Colt made them equal".
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#965366 - 10/04/16 10:39 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: blackmouth]
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Very true blackmouth. Virtually all mass shootings happen in gun free zones, fact.

Anyone that believes criminals are dissuaded from using their stolen gun to commit violent crime is not only a sh.itstained liberal idiot but too stupid to vote.

Chicago is a prime example of failed liberal policy. In fact every urban area in every liberal hell hole is a prime example of failed democrat dictatorships. The left has completely failed the inner city, minorities, business and everything they've touched but they still fancy themselves the moral authority on all things race related. The left is nothing more than a vocalization of failure and the personification of stupidity in action. Despite their repeated failures they are incapable of acknowledging that their policies are damaging entire cities, ruining the foundation of family and making a mockery of the constitution. The pendulum is swinging back and hopefully it'll decapitate a large percentage of the screaming and shouting lefties in the process.
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#965368 - 10/04/16 11:00 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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The left is a bunch of queers.

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#965372 - 10/04/16 12:07 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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That's a nice Cutty though smile
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#965374 - 10/04/16 12:41 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: ReefSkunk

Originally Posted By: Evo
so then if cops dont prevent crimes, and they "serve and protect us", its our jobs as American citizens to stop crimes correct?

do you see where im about to go with this?


Not anywhere near a full time job, that's for sure.


BELTED deep to center field......it's going....going...GONE!!!!!!

Another Grand Slam by ReefSkunk against Evo.
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#965377 - 10/04/16 12:53 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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The training staff is hard at work increasing the speed on Evo's fast ball. Also trying to get a little movement on it.

As is, sitting the ball up on a Tee doesn't seem to be working out that well for him.
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#965380 - 10/04/16 01:22 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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not even a bunt...

so, if we are the ones that are supposed to stop crimes, and the police are just there to investigate, then,

WE have to decide whos good and who isnt...

WE have to stop and get out and do something when something happens, not sit there with your fvckin phone and record it and put in on Worldstar...

WE have to take our communities back...

basically, WE, have to do the job that some of us thought the police were supposed to do...

so when something happens, its now YOUR fault...

if its not, have fun profiling, because thats exactly what you have to do to prevent crime....
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#965385 - 10/04/16 03:05 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Don't sweat it RVW. Sol Duc has your back.

I'm sure that makes you feel so much better!

I feel about the same actually, got into some fish yesterday and will hit it again in a few hours when the the tide comes in. I love being so close to the hump and Copalis rivers. I'll never go back anywhere near the city again. I released a nice Sea run cutty around 18" yesterday.


So, how many casts does it take to get a Copalis Coho to bite ?
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53 million !

Gawd, I hate that pretty little river, even when they roll and jump, they never bite!

You need to be at the right place at the right time. I befriended a local who has been fishing this river his whole life 50+ years. Your best shot is at the mouth of the river on the south side, breakers only 30 yards away. Another good place is up in the Ghost forest where they are close to the spawning grounds. It's not a river that you're going to get into fish all day. If you want that it's only a 10 minute drive to the Hump. I don't like fishing around People and avoid it at all cost. Another huge advantage that I've noticed is getting up super early in the morning, you'll have a way better chance of hooking up. Nobody seems to know how big the run is. You can actually keep two wild Coho a day which is unheard of these days. Does anyone here know how big this run is? I'm dying to know. Most People just fish right off State # 109 before hitting the bridge. Last year a good morning with about 12 People fishing would catch around 6 fish on a good day....not the normal though. In January of 1700 a quake of 9.0 hit this area and dropped the landscape 6 feet and caused a tsunami that hit Japan and killed 15k People. We're due for another, they estimate there will be one every 300-600 years. This area is on the Cascadia fault line.


Edited by Sol Duc (10/04/16 05:45 PM)
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#965389 - 10/04/16 03:58 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Go look at the tsunami hazard map. Might want a bug out plan. And be quick about it. Only got about ten minutes after the shaking stops. That whole basin needs to invest in vertical evacuation buildings. Ain't getting out in time in a vehicle.

But that would mean investing in the peasants and infrastructure and not corruption.

The book "Cascadias Quake" may be the scariest book I've ever read. It explains how they dated the 1700 quake.
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#965391 - 10/04/16 04:12 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Evo,

Short of setting up stings how can cops prevent a crime?? Got any examples of cops preventing a crime? Would you prefer cops park in your driveway to make sure you're not robbed?

And how do you decide who's good and bad? "I shot him because he's a mean looking black dude?" OK. But please don't shoot Richard Sherman or Cam Chancellor. I know they look mean and all but they are actually really good dudes.

And who are you taking your community back from? You have roving bans of ruffians beating up little old ladies for their pension check?

Think dude!
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#965394 - 10/04/16 05:48 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
After studying the seismic reality around there from the mouth to the bank across from Johnson's Mercantile below the bridge, we got outta Surfcrest for good...


Where was this store and when did it close? I don't remember it as a kid clamming with the family.
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#965423 - 10/05/16 12:51 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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So Blackmouth, what's the answer? How do we keep the bad guys from getting guns and committing crimes with them? huh
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#965425 - 10/05/16 06:57 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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You can't prevent it completely, but the best defense is a well armed civilian population. Criminals fear an armed, trained and prepared civilian population way more than the police. Infact the criminals count on the public relying on the police to protect them, those people make good victims....

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#965435 - 10/05/16 09:43 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: 4Salt]
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Originally Posted By: 4Salt
So Blackmouth, what's the answer? How do we keep the bad guys from getting guns and committing crimes with them? huh

I've never claimed to have all of the answers, and I think that it would be wise to recognize that evil will always be present. Having said that we could start by enforcing the laws that are currently on the books and if some laws are no longer relevent we should revoke them.

And there is merit to---------

Originally Posted By: RICH G
You can't prevent it completely, but the best defense is a well armed civilian population. Criminals fear an armed, trained and prepared civilian population way more than the police. Infact the criminals count on the public relying on the police to protect them, those people make good victims....
this line of reasoning.
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#965438 - 10/05/16 10:07 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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If everybody was armed, trained and confident we would have no need for police as there would be very little crime, legalize all narcotics as well and you have almost no crime at all. Occasionally people would off each other for mere disagreements but it would happen at a very low level.

Ultimately, actually very quickly the population would conform to a "mutual respect society", where guns would rarely need to be used, people would just get along because being a prick or criminal would not he tolerated.

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#965444 - 10/05/16 11:42 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Must have been close to the church in the same area.
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#965446 - 10/05/16 11:49 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: 4Salt]
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Originally Posted By: 4Salt
So Blackmouth, what's the answer? How do we keep the bad guys from getting guns and committing crimes with them? huh


The $64,000 question. As mentioned by others a competent, armed and trained populace would be the ideal scenario as well as enforcing the laws we have. Drop the PC bullsh.it and quit worrying about hurting the tender sensibilities of criminals. Profiling is a natural response for humans and animals alike. Fair application of the law irregardless of color or income or profession. Use prison for the incarceration of bad, bad men instead of using the system to make non-violent drug offenders into hardened gang bangers. Rapists, murderers and pedophiles get locked away, they've already taken too much from society and are of no use to us. Make the cops do their job and have the local community far more involved in who THEY hire to protect and serve them.
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#965447 - 10/05/16 11:53 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: RowVsWade]
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Everyone in Switzerland owns guns and is mandatory to take a gun safety class in school. There is virtually no crime there....hummmm.
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#965448 - 10/05/16 11:59 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
RowVsWade Offline
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Eliminate the red tape and politics from policing and make the community take ownership rather than having the community viewed as suspects by LEO. As it is now they have a license to do what they want and enjoy virtual immunity at the expense of the ones they abuse. Everything works better when everyone has skin in the game.
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#965450 - 10/05/16 12:10 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: Sol Duc]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Everyone in Switzerland owns guns and is mandatory to take a gun safety class in school. There is virtually no crime there....hummmm.


All men go thru military training and are issued weapons, which they can keep when their stint is over, so they do have high gun ownership.

They are, however, fourth in the world in gun related deaths...albeit quite behind the numero uno, the US of A.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. So long as gun owners can only come up with "more guns!" as the answer to gun violence, then more and more restrictive gun laws is what we will get.
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#965455 - 10/05/16 01:05 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
BroodBuster Offline
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Also Switzerland is a closed society. The EU has really been pressuring them to open their borders, which they did for a while per some trade agreements, but that sort of backfired and they are now going back to restricting the flow of people across their borders.
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#965457 - 10/05/16 01:17 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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People in Switzerland are also rich, which means they like to do their crimes on a much larger scale, and in a non-violent manner. Guns aren't the right tool for that trade.

There may be something to the notion that armed people won't shoot each other, but I doubt that very much. Personally, I don't want to live in that kind of fear anyway. If some POS wants to take my life, I guess he can have it. I don't want the stress of trying to stop him ruling my life.

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#965459 - 10/05/16 01:38 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Everyone in Switzerland owns guns and is mandatory to take a gun safety class in school. There is virtually no crime there....hummmm.


All men go thru military training and are issued weapons, which they can keep when their stint is over, so they do have high gun ownership.

They are, however, fourth in the world in gun related deaths...albeit quite behind the numero uno, the US of A.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. So long as gun owners can only come up with "more guns!" as the answer to gun violence, then more and more restrictive gun laws is what we will get.

4th ? I would have never guessed that, you sure?
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#965461 - 10/05/16 01:47 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
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What's wrong with a gun related death??

Last time I checked............ cancer is a way worse way to go.

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#965464 - 10/05/16 01:59 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Sol Duc Offline
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Todd, I did a little google search and found several studies that put Switzerland nowhere near the top in any of them. Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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#965467 - 10/05/16 02:08 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Bullet vs Cancer , I'd pick bullet every time.

the problem with bullet method is when self administered it demonstrates independence, self confidence and self enpowerment. The other problem is it does not generate money for the medical industry.

The agenda for America is to cause everybody to be in fear of death and to be stressed out and depressed. our government wants everybody to be on anti depressants, in counseling , and to just be a victim of somthing. Confidence, independence and self enpowerment is the enemy. Thats why 60% of the US population is on prescribed mind altering drugs. They want everybody to be a slave to a bag of pills and doctors appointments. Breaking up families is the other agenda, They want women to be dependent on the government, not their husbands and to train the kids that marriage is bad early on. The more FRUCKED up you are, depressed, gay, bisexual, confused, a victim the better, it ensures a short life plagued with confusion and prescribed medication and total dependence on the system.

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#965468 - 10/05/16 02:13 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
RICH G
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The more you stay away from doctors and medications the better off you are. There are plenty of natural substances which can give you relief for most of your problems or even cure them. The medical industry treats symptoms with drugs which cause more symptoms which need more treatment. Crime and cancer are both too big a buisness to cure...

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#965474 - 10/05/16 03:28 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Back before the leash laws became the norm it wasn't uncommon to see two dogs locked together.
You rarely saw an individual walking a dog on a leash.
And Dogs were happy.


Times are a changing.
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#965477 - 10/05/16 03:49 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: Sol Duc]
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Registered: 09/02/15
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Todd, I did a little google search and found several studies that put Switzerland nowhere near the top in any of them. Here is one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Who cares if you get shot with a gun, hacked with a machete or ran over by a muslim with a truck? You are still just as dead. Take a look at the intentional homicide rate for all sources, with the percent of gun ownership in parentheses:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Top 12 Murder Rate

1. Houndouras (6.2%)
2. El Salvador (5.8%)
3. Venezeula (10.7%)
4. Virgin Islands (?)
5. Lesoto (2.7%)
6. Jamaica (8.1%)
7. Belize (10%)
8. St. Kitts & Nevis (?)
9. South Africa (12.7%)
10. Guatemala (13.1%)
11. Bahamas (5.3%)
12. Columbia (5.9%)

Bottom 12 Murder Rate

206. Norway (31.3%)
207. Indonesia (.5%)
208. Bahrain (24.8%)
209. Austria (30.4%)
210. Switzerland (45.7%)
211. Kuwait (24.8%)
212. French Polynesia (31.2%)
213. Japan (.6%)
214. Singapore (.5%)
215. Iceland (30.3%)
216. Andorra (?)
217. San Marino (?)
218. Monaco (?)

Numbers after are the gun ownership rates from (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country)

Now, you can look at some demographic differences between the top 12 and bottom 12 and that will explain the crime rate because the gun ownership rate sure doesn't explain it. These same demographic forces also affect America. Liberals can't explain why high gun ownership in Iceland, Switzerland or Norway didn't lead to the mass killing fields like Democrat run Chicago, New Orleans or Baltimore with their failed gun control and out of control murder rates. Guns don't kill people, rapists and murderers do. Build that wall.
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#965488 - 10/05/16 05:48 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Trumpster (you know a great post is coming when it's addressed to someone using a fake moniker):

A couple things about those murder rates vs. gun ownership that might be worthy of consideration:

* Most of the countries with the highest murder rates have two things in common:
1. Lots of poverty, which motivates a lot of crime.
2. The distinction of being essentially governed by drug cartels, whose guns were probably not included in the statistics, would surely bump up the percentage significantly, and probably accounted for a huge chunk of the murders.

* Japan and Singapore, despite being densely populated and having a very small percentage of gun owners, are near the very bottom of the list. What makes those countries stark exceptions to the rule being suggested in this thread? My guess is that it's how highly those nations regard honor. Shooting people with whom you don't agree is apparently not honorable.

* Many of the countries with the lowest murder rates are relatively wealthy. No surprise there. And if you kill someone in Bahrain or Kuwait, you're the next one to die, no questions asked. Pretty solid disincentive right there.

Thanks for the data, but next time, don't forget to analyze it before spewing out any "clear trends."

I'm not anti-gun, but I am anti-bullchit, and that's the only reason I'm commenting.

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#965491 - 10/05/16 06:55 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Humm, a post which claims to be an anti bullchit post which uses assumptions, and even assumptions based on assumptions and unfounded conclusions in an attempt to "analyze" data.

Now that's what I call 100% certified "Bullchit". beer
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#965493 - 10/05/16 07:15 PM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: RowVsWade]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
Originally Posted By: 4Salt
So Blackmouth, what's the answer? How do we keep the bad guys from getting guns and committing crimes with them? huh


The $64,000 question. As mentioned by others a competent, armed and trained populace would be the ideal scenario as well as enforcing the laws we have. Drop the PC bullsh.it and quit worrying about hurting the tender sensibilities of criminals. Profiling is a natural response for humans and animals alike. Fair application of the law irregardless of color or income or profession. Use prison for the incarceration of bad, bad men instead of using the system to make non-violent drug offenders into hardened gang bangers. Rapists, murderers and pedophiles get locked away, they've already taken too much from society and are of no use to us. Make the cops do their job and have the local community far more involved in who THEY hire to protect and serve them.


A competent populace.

lol

Good luck with that.
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#965515 - 10/06/16 07:15 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Dan got it. These are people issues, and you really can't fix those with rules, regulations, or guns.

Blackmouth: Fair enough on the analysis critique (though I did stop short of claiming any conclusive trends based on my insufficient analysis). My point is that it doesn't take a whole lot of questioning, based on proven trends (poverty rates vs. murder rates, e.g.), to bring a conclusion that those data mean more guns = less murder (Christ - I felt dumb just typing that equation) into question.

Are you not at least curious about what makes Japan and Singapore apparently immune to the "not enough guns" disease we suffer from so rampantly here in the US? I know you're supposed to leave out the extreme outliers in a typical trend analysis, but I think this is one case where the outliers might be the most meaningful and compelling data in the set. Whatever they're doing in Japan and Singapore to keep their idiots and crazies from killing each other is working really, really well, and I think the rest of the world might want to look into it.

There was a time when just about everyone in the US was armed. Anyone seen movies or read accounts of life in the Wild West? Guns were EVERYWHERE, and murder was, too....

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#965521 - 10/06/16 08:33 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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I wasn't claiming that more guns = less murder. I was claiming that the murder rate and the gun ownership rate have nothing to do with each other. Instead it's demographic issues, such as the poverty you touched on.

So Crooked Hillary wants to take away guns as well as allow immigration from areas with these demographic issues. Taking away guns doesn't reduce the murder rate but letting in poor immigrants does increase it.

The solution isn't more guns, it's less poor people. We need to stop importing poor people from other countries and stop exporting our good paying jobs and wealth. Crooked Hillary won't solve this, she has sold out to the globalists and can't wait to ship the rest of the jobs overseas.
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#965532 - 10/06/16 11:01 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Posts: 3771
So when did these values begin?
It sure as fuk wasn't before or during WW2, you have heard about the killing of 6 million Chinese right?

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#965534 - 10/06/16 11:20 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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I think Hank's right about Japan and Singapore, but as Blackmouth pointed out, I have no data to support it, so it must be bullchit.

Sorry for assuming you were implying something you weren't, Trumpster.

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#965537 - 10/06/16 11:42 AM Re: how are these terrorists caught so quick? [Re: ]
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Singapore.....the bastion of human rights.lol
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