I tend to agree with RvW; this is mostly about money the cities/states
get for managing the illegal people. They create jobs in city and state
governments (I believe Stam posted a list of a few), which the Federal
government funds through various Federal programs.

The whole situation sucks, to be honest. Illegal people have been coming
into the country for decades, but it's now at a point that the American
people can no longer afford to support them, educate their children and
pay their medical bills.

Most of these individuals are good people looking for a better life.
Sad part is, they went about it in the wrong way. No matter if you call it karma,
balancing the scales of life, or justice, sooner or later the piper needs to be paid.

It'll take Trump 4 years just to get out the criminals, so I don't think the vast
majority of illegals are in much danger for a while.

Salmo, at the risk of sounding like a smartass, look at the leaders in (say) WDFW-but there re many to choose from. Are they interested in making the resources better, offering better harvest/interaction experiances, developing staff or are they interested in balancing budgets, controlling money, and so on.

I suspect that, at the top, the primary concern is economic survival of the organization. If that means turning a blind eye to undocumenteds because they bring in more Federal money then so be it. More money is always better. That, sadly, seems to be the Gubmint Business Model of today.

Carcassman, no worries; I don't think that's smartass at all. I'm familiar with the literature (quite old actually) that job number one of a bureaucracy is to "grow the empire." The guy at the top increases his influence and wealth by overseeing a larger agency (empire). However, I'm not seeing the "good fit" where a city, or its leaders, movers and shakers, benefit by the sanctuary designation. Improving and expanding city infrastructure supports larger local gov't. departments. When the various departments grow, thereby expanding their influence and wealth, the city learders at the top of the pyramid grow their influence and wealth even more.

From what little I'm getting on this, being a sanctuary city may attract more immigrants to a city because of the benefits to illegals, the city doles out this elusive federal money people are talking about, but not identifying a single federal law or program that facilitates this, for social services to immigrants allegedly in the form of housing, medical services, and education. I want to know exactly what federal funds are being funneled. So far no one here on the DS is willing or able to ID the legal pathway that is this alleged funnel.

I think a city benefits more by funding infrastructure. Infrastructure attracts business, industry, and people, who end up paying taxes to the local, state, and federal gov'ts., feeding the machine, as it were, and feeding the egos and wealth of those at the top. Intrinsically that makes ever so much more sense than pissing away money on people who contribute few benefits and may actually be a financial drain on the city. See what I mean?

By Identifying itself as Santuary City or County, the people behind such actions believe that they have shown that they are, warm and fuzzy, they believe that they are showing that they are the champions of the poor and underprivilidged and that they are protecting the illegals from those cruel citizens who believe in borders and the rule of law.

Now, what monitary benefits a city might accrue is a much shadier subject, and much in flux because it has so much to do with law enforcement, which the Obama administration has shown little will to use in this matter. In 2011 a Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) report stated that a whopping 70 percent of illegal-immigrant households with children receive handouts via a government program.

As a result of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, states are required to provide K-12 public education for students without legal immigrant status.

Also "Typically, any proof an illegal alien provides as evidence of legal status, regardless of its fraudulent nature, will satisfy social services agencies that determine the person's benefit eligibility because an intake clerk simply cannot make the determination that someone is an illegal alien. Therefore, the law is usually overlooked and illegal aliens manage to qualify for state and local benefits."

Illegals also contribute to a demographic shift which we have been experiencing which favors the Liberal/Democrat party, you know the warm and fuzzy bunch, the champions of the illegal alliens who are now beholding of them.

Illegals also receive food benifits and HERE is how.

These are but a few examples many more are available with a minimal amount of research.

Thanks Blackmouth. OK, that makes sense in terms of how some illegals obtain benefits. I still don't get why a city or county designates itself a sanctuary. It doesn't make sense. Guess I'm a liberal without the bleeding heart.

Salmo,

They go to work and endure payroll taxes like the rest of us who work. The Gov then takes some of that money and pays your pension and social security.

Bonus. Illegals pay in but don't take out.

Thus the pyramid scheme survives a wee little bit longer. We need them to prop up the top half of the pyramid.

Works great as long as there is job and wage growth but as you noted in your future thread that paradigm ain't gonna last much longer.

BB,

Agreed, illegals who work and pay taxes help subsidize the system. Still doesn't explain how sanctuary city status makes any sense tho.

Maybe it just "feels good" to tell the Tea Party to **ck off.

Viewing you as a liberal, through my conservative eyes, I find that 'thought' hilarious.

All I was saying was be careful what you wish for, and don't expect anything to get better for you IF any headway is made toward deporting illegal aliens because of this xenophobic red herring conservatives are using to take your eyes off what they're doing to you on Wall Street. Your taxes will not go down, and the cost of essential products (like FOOD) will rise sharply (or else farm subsidies will be increased to pay the increased labor costs; consumers/taxpayers lose, either way). I don't think any of us will make or break our retirements on our individual, financial responsibility for entitlement programs, and I propose we shift our witch hunt to the halls of Congress, where it might actually gain us something.

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Flea is going Rich rogue on us.

Not going anywhere, Duc. I've been crazy for many years now. A fruitcake is less nutty.

Extremists, whether liberal or conservative, wear glasses that allow them to see only black or white, missing everything in between. So of course a liberal trying to make sense of something would be hilarious to you. It's unfortunate your critical thinking skills are so stunted.

What Salmo is saying is that you're a dumbfuck, blackmouth.

What do sanctuary cities get? If the answers to that question still don't make sense (to a critical thinking liberal WTF that is) then wait and see what sanctuary cities DON'T get under President Trump. What they won't get should answer the question about what they got.

If this legislation passes under Trump, sanctuary designated states, counties and cities infrastructure will suffer total colapse if the don't conform to the legislation. No question about it, with the current way things are done they would loose 50+% of their total opportating budget, there would be no way for them to makeup that huge of a shortfall.

I prefer "Illegal trespassers". All of them that are here illegally with criminal records should be deported...end of story. Any drug smugglers at the borders should be shot on site, including the Human smugglers. AKA Coyotes.You think the recidivism rate would decrease?

One can dream.

Actions should have consequences.....

Just in DOT funds alone Mason county recieved about 11,000,000.00 in 2007 which was more than 1\3 of their total budget. Mason is not designated a sanctuary county but I'm just giving an example. DOT funds are matched dollar for dollar, every dollar the state puts in gets matched by the feds but those funds are used for many things other than roads.