Did you honestly think we'd get one of those big lottery style gags checks from Mexico?

There's a lot of ways to make Mexico pay for it. El Chapo, the annual $120 billion we spend in taxpayer money managing illegals, reductions of the $69 billion in outflowing remittance money, tariffs, fines et al.

Don't be dumb. Understand nuance.

Careful nick, we don’t take kindly to intelligent posts ‘round these parts.

careful Nick, i said the same thing and everyone came after me and cawwwed me meen naymes....

Trump is the guy who doubled down on his wall plan while in the same
moment saying, “I will make Mexico pay for it!”.

There is zero nuance in that and it probably explains why people wont let it go.

Faggot politics aside.

You once told Hank the dark side was mostly moderate with politics. Still makes me laugh.

Thats not what I said. Go read it again. I was saying that moderates are as liberal as it gets here; that most of Wanks posts are trolling the wrong crowd.

You say moderate I say liberal. Tomatoes tomatoes

For example, I live in a very very liberal town and everyone I have asked thinks AOC is selling snake oil, including me, yet Wanka$$ thinks Democrats ands liberals adore her. I think that most actual adults in this country see her type of politics as dangerous.

So where do you draw the line? Can you give an example?

Sure. Nuance. From Donald Trump.

lol

A specific example? No. but you’re being desingenous if you’re saying this board isn’t leaning to the left. That’s what to me, liberal means, leaning towards the left.

im pretty sure ive shown how well i shoot....

take it for what its worth...

That's what I'm saying. Mexico will pay for it - one way or another. What people won't let go of is this notion that it MUST be a direct payment from the Mexican government. Be it a big gag check, direct deposit or a wire transfer. None of those things are going to happen. What will happen is that Mexico & other Latin countries will pay for it one way or another.

Illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayer roughly $120 billion per year. Most illegals come through our southern border (outside of visa overstays). If only 1/5th of that cost is reduced by less illegal immigration via the border, then the wall paid for itself and the cost burden is shifted to Mexico and other Latin countries.

That's only one way. There are many others and more than likely it will be paid for via a blend of multiple sources. That's the nuance.

Just one more half truth. You, like most of Trump's supporters pick out anything to promote your cause and are either unable or unwilling to balance it out. The guy is an idiot and I agree that it looks like he made all of that sh!t up. Fvck him, BUT there are just as many nut cases if not more on the other side starting with Trump.

Why aren't you listing the hundreds if not thousands of lies Trump comes up with? You're the one talking about rational discussions. Your bias is obvious and your information is weak. His lies make that idiot's made up event look minor. Did you see Trump's State of the Union Address or that ridiculous speech he gave regarding the wall? He told more lies in those two events than most people tell in a lifetime.

Did you call Trump out when he said the troops were getting a 10% raise and told them they haven't had a raise in years? No because you didn't fact check and find out the raise is 2.6% and the military gets a raise every year.

Trump is the most irrational person I've ever seen. Maybe even dealing with dementia but as long as he can stand up there and constantly tell lie after lie there is no case for defending him or trying to make it a liberal or conservative thing.

Regarding irresponsible reporting there is no question the lies told by conservative fools like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Donald Trump, that fake christian Pence, Fox News and the rest incite hate and a mob mentality. Trump has fueled the hatred against himself! To say he hasn't done anything to deserve it would be as stupid as he is.

You can say what you want but since Trump has been in office this country has NEVER been more divided and it only has to do with his failure as a human and a president.

Trump is the male equivalent of Kim Kardashian.

He's a fkn asshat. Sides with perpetrators and blames the victim. GREAT guy.

I see Nick. Good point.

Fuc.k yeah it’s a good point. A post based on intelligence and not blind ass affiliation.


One might say a moderate.

I don't sweat illegal aliens much just like I don't sweat most things.

Politicians like to make a big deal out of everything, and normally it isn't a big deal at all - let alone life changing.

How many payments of 120 billion does it take to pay off the 2 trillion in additional debt we took on this year? And what dildo loads up on 2 trillion in debt when the economy is humming instead of paying down the deficit at the very least? The kind of dildo that bankrupts a casino, maybe?

None of you Trump lovers is a conservative. Not while you defend that sh!t, you're not. CINO

Also, I don't necessarily condone or want a wall. I'm just pointing out the potential shifts in cost ownership. There would be some positives sure, but there's also definitely some negatives (as Dan's post directly above mine captures major one). A smart sailor mends his ship in a storm using monies gathered during good times. There's also the environmental impacts among other negatives. How are animals going to cross? Will it affect Monarch butterflies? How do you account for the Rio Grand which is a very large portion of the current border? Do you just give ownership of the river back?

This is all about votes and power at the end of the day and not necessarily just about stemming the flow of illegal immigration. I'm kinda for it and I'm kinda against it, but it won't affect how I vote next cycle (which will be based on another hot topic).