Its Now time for me to RANT a little so I can get this to off my mind. I have had this bothering me now for over a month and will continue through November with the hipocrites saying anything about the Hump fishery. If people would set back and listen to themselves they would see what maybe other people such as WDFW ,COUNSEL,INDIANS,AND OTHERS WE FIGHT WITH. I am so pissed that I apologize for my spelling and jumbled Quotes but there is so many of them from a few people that I still consider BB friends and would like to fish with. I just have to get this off my shoulders so I can fish without felling that I need to wake on water when I see them fishing so places they complain about every year. Again forgive me for missprnts but I am pissed right now.


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The 2007 WDFW plan currently on the table is yet another sure-fire formula for over-exploitation. Think about it folks.... 501 fish for the bay comes out to a harvest rate of only 16 fish per day. Anybody out there actually believe the sport fleet is so lame that they can only muster 16 dead kings a day with hundreds of boats plying the water each day in October? Get real! I know a handful of regulars that could single-handedly blow thru those fish without blinking! That allocation will be bonked before we see three tide exchanges after the opening bell! Any takers on that bet?

(This did not happen but we know who was there more than anyone else because we heard the NO SHOW rant)

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As anglers busily prepare this weekend for the much anticipated opening day of the Grays Harbor salmon season on Monday, I cringe to think about how many chinook salmon will perish during the month-long kill fishery sanctioned by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife this fall.


Moreover, participation in Grays Harbor sport fisheries is expected to be extraordinarily high due to poor salmon forecasts in other regions of the state. To make matters worse,
chinook salmon fishing has just been closed in the mainstem Columbia River and all of its major Southwest Washington tributaries (Washougal Lewis, Kalama, Cowlitz, Toutle, Green, and Elochoman Rivers). Angling pressure from those streams will be displaced to the closest and most convenient area open to chinook retention…. you guessed it, Grays Harbor and the Chehalis Basin!

(You were the guys busily preparing along with everyone else).

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I take a carefully planned week off work with the intent of fishing a full boat each and every day... on my barge, that means at least five rods. With the forgone opportunity I leave behind at the office/hospital, it ain't worth my while to piddle around with one or two rods. Frankly that's an utter waste of time and money... and more importantly, WASTED OPPORTUNITY!

(What more then one Hypocrite on this we page).







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Virtually all of you had seats reserved months ahead... pre-empting any number of folks from claiming said seat. I've got dozens of enthusiastic friends, patients, and professional colleagues that I am embarrassed to have to turn down when I'm asked if I could take them fishing. Hell there's even enthusiastic guys on this board wondering why I haven't yet invited them along for the ride.

(No don’t tell me that all these trips had people from this forum).

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The Chehalis side is where all the problems are... there simply are NOT enough fish to support 4 weeks of combined chinook retention in 2-2 AND mainstem Chehalis.

(You know who you are I saw you there)



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The Hump piece of the WDFW plan is fine the way it is. There are plenty of surplus fish to support a chinook kill season Oct 16-Nov 30.

( I believe this is true)

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Yes it's still open. A healthy king surplus was forecast and it's wide open season on kings in the Hump for six weeks.... all the way to the end of Nov.

(Looks that we are all wrong on this one but fih the hell out of it and post those pictures)


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If they believe the entire sport fleet can only take 16 paper fish a day, they can easily justify 31 days of chinook retention in the bay.

(What was the total daily counts lots of days without 16 fish days from the launch reports).



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If you plan to fish local waters for salmon, I would urge you to limit your individual chinook impact in some meaningful way. I am not suggesting that you adopt a “release-them-all” stance as biologists believe harvestable chinook are available in limited numbers. I simply ask that you pause and consider which ones are worth bonking before you decide to wield the wood shampoo.
I’m calling out to the conservationist in each and every one of you! If we want chinook salmon to return in healthy numbers in the years to come, it’s our collective responsibility to be a little “softer” on the resource when the need arises. It’s clear our state’s fish managers are unwilling to step up to the plate. Are you?

( This is someone’s backyard fishery stay away).



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Not a hen...
Not over 30#...
Not a problem...

For the record that fish would have died in my boat as well. See what I mean...

My wife caught this fish in the ocean not the Johns
It was weighed on Westport Official Scale and scaled out at 27.45 lbs.(37 inches)
Not a boot this is after hours in ice chest.



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I knew I would eventually have to fend off a reply like this when I posted these pics...

Originally Posted by FastAction
You know the Kenai isnt the only spot where the gene pool could use some preserving.. Why wouldnt you release that big buck in hopes for a 25lb dink?



Maybe because it's only a 23# dink



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If my wife’s fish is 37 inches and is shoulder to knee. Remember she is 5’6”.
Sunglasses to knee or below ? Don’t know how tall he is but what I have seen of him while fishing the Johns would say “guessing” 5’4” to 5’ 7” what would you rate this fish at it was not 23lbs. And lets hear who was running that camera because there should be more the one on that barge.

Frankly this would be worth the time and money... and more importantly, WOULD NOT BE A WASTED OPPORTUNITY!

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I also would like to apologize for my ranting but I get sick and tired of listening to hypocrites and there side kicks. I just want to hear the real deal.

Some good and valid points....flame away!

The Grays Harbor fishery fishes over Chehalis River Chinook, which are in serious danger of over-exploitation, not the Humptulips fish, which are not in danger of over-exploitation.

End of rant.

Fish on...

Todd

Interesting approach that may result in some interesting "discussion".

Now I think I need a drink.

Cry me a river (whiner you sound like the real deal ;))

Well, Hell, I don't remember much I guess. I recognize some of the quotes, but beyond that, I'm pretty worthless, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

Seems like you are giving a lot of power to others. I mean, really, who gives a crap what others think here? It's nice to agree, but shiat, we are all from different backgrounds, beliefs, practices, etc. Good of you to voice what you think. Really. Just do it quicker.

Resentment is a funny thing. It goes on hurting the one with it, while the perceived offender is totally unaware. A real waste of life.

Thought two.....resentment dies if you don't feed it.

My 2

Maybe we'll fish together sometime....maybe not. Good Luck either way.

bingo.

The only thing that comes to mind is, now what was I thinking!!!PEACE

Let's face it, most of your so called "rant" is pointed at one individual....FishNphysician. Francis may have some strong views with that fishery being that its in his backyard and has fought and attended many, many meetings with the "authorities". One thing for sure, Francis loves to fish and lives to fish as one can see in his posts, whether we agree with him or not.
I respect him and others for this, I really don't know all the ins and outs (politics) of the fisheries down there, but I do try to keep up as much as I can. We have our own problems down here in area 11 to keep up with and I too try to keep up with those. We have a couple of guys in our GHPSA chapter that really put their time in for us at north of Falcon, etc. as most of us working guys just don't have the time.
I think that rather than rant, we should all be thanking these individuals for at least trying to put the situations in the publics eye, whether or not that they are right or wrong.

Lets hear what you have done for the fishery? I thank you and applaud you in advance if you have had a hand in the processes as outlined above.

Ng

Speed Kills.

ugh.... Salmon season is almost over.... Lets bring on the Steelhead!

I'm not following this rant very well...are you upset because someone (fastaction) suggested that your wife should have released her fish? Someone who wasn't the focus of your rant?

Attacking Fnp on this, or any other Northwest fishing BBS, isn't going to get you very far. It would be a gross understatement to say he's well liked. I consider him a friend, and am privileged at the opportunities I've had to share water with him.

There is a substantive, although sometimes subtle, difference between challenging someones actions or opinions, and attacking them personally as a "hypocrite". It had done me well to learn that lesson myself, and I believe it would serve you the same.

Seriously, you'd find more support if you had approached this differently. Maybe instead put up a thread titled "Should my wife have let this one go".
It was a bright, beautiful Westport chinook. 95% of the guys I know would have kept it.

If you want to give someone grief, you can give it to me. I already feel guilty for keeping that 40 pound buck last week. It takes practice, a full freezer, and a lot of impulse control to let a legal fish like that go on to spawn. But the caveman in me took over. I turned into the housecat with a 40 pound mouse to drag around and show off. I wouldn't feel so badly, but we've got a lot of salmon in the freezer.



Vhawk

Is this going anywhere that's even remotely constructive?

If not, it will end before it gets nasty.

Seems like a lot of that going on in here . Like the new guy who just wanted to share a couple of Coho that he caught last week on the cascade and got trashed because he didn't hold them right ,even though he was legally able to bonk them and didn't . How about the guys that are going to boycott the reservations because the native Americans took 20,000 blackmouth too many and two or three weeks later they are on here begging a trip to Neah Bay for halibut or ranting about how good it was the weekend before . don't make much sense now does it ? They (the indians) get away with that stuff because they know that most people are like that and have a very short memory .Seems to me that as those pedestals get higher and the air gets thinner we need to not forget why most of us are here (which I think is to share information and good times fishing with friends )
In the last couple of years this site has morfed ( I think thats a word ) into a bunch of reformed fisherman turned enviormentalists who have a little trouble practicing what they preach . Have you ever heard the phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? If you really believe it then do it and more power to you but if not Please shut the he!! up and quit telling me what not to do while you go ahead with it because it really plays hell with the whole credibility thing. Anyway that is my first and probaply last post but I thought that while we were on the subject no time like the present

For the record, I too am 5'6"... just like your wife.

You are obviously unfamiliar with the patented fNp pseudo-mega-hawg hero shot. With my frame and a bit of highly choreographed posturing, I can make just about any fish look almost twice its real size without long-arming it. It's all about perspective relative to the camera lens.

Gotta give credit where credit is due... T-Rip captured that fantastic shot of a magnificent critter for me... thanks Todd! He can also vouch for the fact that I guessed that bright buck's weight exactly before hanging it on the scale.... not an ounce heavier than 23 pounds.

Maybe this shot (also taken by T-Rip) will put the very same fish into perhaps better and more familiar perspective:

click here for pic

Looks pretty damn dinky even with me long-arming it against those cookie-cutter coho, eh?

I think it was pretty nasty from the beginning Big Daddy....he's barking up the wrong tree.

Ike

Cool thread.

Wanna hear from the camera man? Sure...here I am...what would you like to hear?

Not only did I photograph it, but I ran the motor while it was being fought, and netted it, too...then I weighed it...23 pounds on the nose.

Any more questions?

Here's another picture of the fish...you don't have to ask about the camera man, 'cuz it was me on this one, too...



Fish on...

Todd

I could tell you a bit of what i've iearned from the Doc about GH and how he walks the walk. I could talk a bit about how well he knows the Kenia and how about every other boat on it recognizes him and may flip a little crap about the attemps he has made to save the the strain of larger fish in that river. I'am a bit tired and about a half a bottle of fine Canadian past Halooween and choose to proclaim that I think on this subject that Wynner should simply Fu*( O%%

That was in July right? Which charter was she on?