The problem with being around for a while is the changes you see. To me, on the positive side, we have a fair number of watersheds, like Nisqually, the north coast rivers, the Elwha and maybe some others that are in relatively good shape and most seem well protected.

As such, we can't blame extreme habitat loss or hydro for the declines. We have a pretty good idea of the fish populations they need. I think we pretty much know but aren't willing to act.

I will add, too, that the Nisqually for quite a few years had a reasonably large commercial in-river fishery for chum and still had one of the best wild steelhead runs in PS.