Excellent summary, Todd, the temporary mod.

We have here an example of both ignorance and a$$holeness. Both Tood and SG are ignorant of how the military works and I doubt that any anyone would claim that Tood is not often an a$$hole.

I do know how the military works and Capt. Crozier did the right thing, he was mad because it made a draft dodger look like the idiot he really is.
Congressional oversight investigations will find the Capt. was correct.

I will probably butcher this quote but you will get the idea - "When you are a leader, you take blame for everything that goes wrong and praise those underneath you when things go right" Dwight Eisenhower

Yes he was mad.

Crozier allegedly sent his memo only to other people in the military, trying to get some action instead of the dithering around that was going on when deciders fail to decide. Apparently it was one of those "other people" who sent it to the media when the Pentagon failed to act.

But yeah, canning Crosier is how the military works. The military works by hitting the "fall man" for the failures of others higher up the chain of command. It must have been the military that invented the motto of "place blame, early and often."

At yesterdays coronavirus misinformation briefing, Cheetohead found time to throw Capt. Crozier under the bus.
This action against Capt. Crozier came from the top buffoon.

"Chain of command"

"In a military context, the chain of command is the line of authority and responsibility along which orders are passed within a military unit and between different units. In more simple terms, the chain of command is the succession of leaders through which command is exercised and executed. Orders are transmitted down the chain of command, from a responsible superior, such as a commissioned officer, to lower-ranked subordinate(s) who either execute the order personally or transmit it down the chain as appropriate, until it is received by those expected to execute it. "Command is exercised by virtue of office and the special assignment of members of the Armed Forces holding military rank who are eligible to exercise command." [1]

In general, military personnel give orders only to those directly below them in the chain of command and receive orders only from those directly above them. A service member who has difficulty executing a duty or order and appeals for relief directly to an officer above his immediate commander in the chain of command is likely to be disciplined for not respecting the chain of command. Similarly, an officer is usually expected to give orders only to his or her direct subordinate(s), even if only to pass an order down to another service member lower in the chain of command than said subordinate.

The concept of chain of command also implies that higher rank alone does not entitle a higher-ranking service member to give commands to anyone of lower rank. For example, an officer of unit "A" does not directly command lower-ranking members of unit "B", and is generally expected to approach an officer of unit "B" if he requires action by members of that unit. The chain of command means that individual members take orders from only one superior and only give orders to a defined group of people immediately below them.

If an officer of unit "A" does give orders directly to a lower-ranked member of unit "B", it would be considered highly unusual (a faux pas, or extraordinary circumstances, such as a lack of time or inability to confer with the officer in command of unit "B") as officer "A" would be seen as subverting the authority of the officer of unit "B". Depending on the situation or the standard procedure of the military organization, the lower-ranked member being ordered may choose to carry out the order anyway, or advise that it has to be cleared with his or her own chain of command first, which in this example would be with officer "B". Refusal to carry out an order is almost always considered insubordination, the only exception usually allowed is if the order itself is illegal (i.e., the person carrying out the order would be committing an illegal act). (See Superior Orders.)

In addition, within combat units, line officers are in the chain of command, but staff officers in specialist fields (such as medical, dental, legal, supply, and chaplain) are not, except within their own specialty. For example, a medical officer in an infantry battalion would be responsible for the combat medics in that unit but would not be eligible to command the battalion or any of its subordinate units.

The term is also used in a civilian management context describing comparable hierarchical structures of authority. Such structures are included in Fire Departments, Police Departments and other organizations who have a paramilitary command or power structure."

Hey, knock it off! How dare you point it out as written.

Lot's of vagina vacuuming on the left.

So what does the Capt. do when the chain of command ignores his urgent plea for help?
Does he just sit there and put his 4500 crew members in danger?
The Navy didn't fire Capt. Croxier, a Trumpanzee did.
Bring on the investigation, or as Trump calls them conflicted never Trumpers.

He does if he's a gutless clown shoelicker like Sol Cuck or blackmouth. You can bet neither one of these sh!tbirds would ever be given command of a carrier. Or a mop.

I.E.

If the military's policy has a strict protocol but following that protocol isn't having the necessary effect, any good captain's default will be to the safety of his/her crew. That's what happened. Sorry if you Trump fans didn't like the "optics."

Just one more in a seemingly never-ending string of distinguished careers cut short by Trump's lies and unjust vengeance.

The amount of people parroting any knowledge of this situation is disgusting. I see comments about people who checked this man’s resume and say he should not have been captain of that ship. What a [Bleeeeep!] clown show world we live in where people think they know stuff so few ever would like how to staff an aircraft carrier. I hope anyone here talking about the chain of command knows what the fuk they are talking about. I’ll keep my trap shut about that cuz I don’t know.

I will say that what matters to me is that many were seen cheering this captain as he left the ship, and the sailers on the ship were told to keep their traps shut or face consequences. That tells me this is worse than it looks on paper at this time. This story is not going away.

Just another in the long line with bus tracks over their back.

The trump cheerleader squad sure likes to shake their pom-poms around here.

another perspective.


No one has all the facts as yet, but I'm a bit compelled to question the relief of this Navy officer of his command under the situation presented. Anyone who has ever been in command of a military unit, myself having experience commanding four military units, knows that your people are your most valuable asset and that you are responsible for their welfare and ability to carry out an assigned mission.

I was relieved once from a military leadership position, not a command, by someone who actually had no damn idea of what was happening to military medicine with the introduction of TRICARE. That was in 1998. It was a shoot from the hip decision by one of my superiors and one that left a somewhat bitter taste. But, given a second chance, stepped out and persevered. Recovering from was not an easy task. However, learned a valuable lesson...higher ups are not always well informed, nor able to make decisions that make any sense to those confronting the real threat day to day. Unfortunately, many senior leaders have no actual experience in leading from the front in real life complex situations.

Ok...So Secretary Nodly graduated from the Naval academy, but he spent only seven years on active duty. He has never confronted the same situation as many of his classmates have gone on to experience. CAPT Crozier was facing the potential incapacitation of the entire crew of the USS Theodore Roosevelt and needed to act before that asset of our military might was totally incapable of any mission accomplishment.

Many of us have been in the situation before where we ourselves or our superiors decision making capacity was frozen by information overload and indecision, thus didn't act.

Would submit an idea. We have a system that selects leaders like CAPT Crozier for their ability to make tough decisions that balance both Command and National interests. I'm sort of seeing his relief just as I did mine back in 1998. Somewhat unjustified.

Welcome any thoughts on this.

My thoughts are, the commander (clown) in chief is incompetent.

+1

Trump's military experience, prior to becoming President, was limited to strategizing with his father on how best to avoid military service during the Vietnam conflict. Clearly, he didn't possess the credentials for becoming Commander-In-Chief; most American voters recognized this.This President has denigrated Gold Star parents, dishonored American military heroes, dismissed distingushed military advisors, abandoned allies in the field, meddled in military justice/discipline, and fraudulently used charitable funds collected for veterans. He diverted funding from the military, so that he could build a southern border wall, a monument mostly as useless as Trump himself.

This latest incident, removing Captain Brett Cozier from his command, leaves me wondering how much longer will military leadership support a President who treats career service personnel like they were toy soldiers. Hopefully, like most Americans, they will see Election 2020 as a light at the end of the tunnel.

Soooo..... much..... winning!!!!

EIEIO

blackmouth must spend a lot of time interviewing PP Darkside users to make that determination.

That said, blackmouth is just too stuck up and in love with himself to realize that no one ever "contributes" to the dark side. People drop steamers here, they don't contribute.

Now watch, he will get out his thesaurus again to try put lipstick on his inane reply.

Looks like Modly is out. Modly the guy who made his big media appearances last few days to bad mouth the Captain he removed from that ship like the attention whores all these Trimpanzee appointees are. There are also calls to put that Captain back in control of his ship.

What a turn of events...

Is this the Deep State conspiracy? Big foot? Chem trails? How do we explain this away?