#1063960 - 07/26/24 04:17 PM
$240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Edited by RUNnGUN (07/26/24 04:18 PM)
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#1063966 - 07/28/24 08:50 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
[Re: RUNnGUN]
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River Nutrients
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Not only that, Salmo, but at least in WA it used to be that if you threatened to close a hatchery or reduce production the Leg would fall all over itself to provide more funds so the agencies could do their pet projects and still produce fish.
Perhaps the funniest, or saddest, was one session where all funding for each hatchery was a line item. That meant it could only be spent there for the purposes enumerated in the item.
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#1063972 - 07/29/24 10:38 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
[Re: RUNnGUN]
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It did. But I found the line-item action fun, because once money got there it went lots of places other than "intended".
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#1063977 - 07/30/24 09:31 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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One might also opine that it will be harder for WFC and other organizations to attack tribal hatchery operations. My biggest concern is that those fish required by Federal law to be fin-clipped actually are clipped. Who is monitoring and enforcing that not so little nuance?
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#1063978 - 07/31/24 08:35 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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I do know that the historically, the Quinault tribe clips the adipose on only 10% of there Steelhead smolt plants. Not sure about Salmon? Not that it matters for Steelhead anyway, because those rivers may never be open for recs to fish again. I have heard many times, the Tribes see a harvestable fish as a fish, hatchery or wild, so marking does not matter to them.
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#1063980 - 07/31/24 11:38 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Also, marking fish allows for selective fishing. When the sporties harvest marked fish selectively, it actually can reduce the tribal harvest when they fish non-selectively. Do they really don't like selective fisheries.
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#1063981 - 07/31/24 11:18 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Unfortunately, not marking hatchery fish precludes them from being harvested during a marked selective fishery so those released by recreational fishers move to the next group of fishers.
That takes me back to the question of who is and will be monitoring those hatchery operations to be sure they are conform to Federal law?
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#1063985 - 08/01/24 07:14 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Get into some really good weed there, Larry??
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#1064009 - 08/05/24 05:00 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Once. After a full day at the last Diamond Cup and an evening at the State Line tavern. One and done.
FYI - Over 900K unclipped tribal hatchery coho held in acclimation pen(s) in Elliott Bay in conjunction with the Port of Seattle. Not speculation; confirmed by the Port.
Why unclipped??
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#1064011 - 08/05/24 07:15 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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You can keep unclipped coho in Marine Areas 10 and 11.
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#1064016 - 08/06/24 08:54 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Wouldn’t it be great if all those unclipped coho stayed in MA 10…… SF
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#1064017 - 08/06/24 10:22 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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At one time there was an effort to use net pens to keep coho and Chinook in PS. The delayed-release program. Seems to work rather well at keeping them in-Sound. The fish, since they never went to ocean, were rather small. Also, there would need to be a good food supply even for the smaller fish. I think, if memory serves, that the fish were released in the latter part pf summer and really seemed to enter the fishery in winter as about 12" fish and growing.
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#1064021 - 08/06/24 11:10 AM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Late May or early June is when most of the net pen delayed release coho are released now. The winter and spring rezzie fishing lately hasn’t been nearly as good as it used to be, especially over the past four years or so. I’m glad I got to experience the resident blackmouth fishery during its peak. What a fun, productive fishery. Too bad it is gone now. SF
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#1064024 - 08/06/24 12:53 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Wouldn't it be even better if all hatchery origin fish we clippped and available to all fishers?
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#1064025 - 08/06/24 01:38 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Wouldn't it be even better if all hatchery origin fish we clippped and available to all fishers? Yes, as I noted in a previous post in the WDFW Director Bulletin thread when you asked about net pen projects with unclipped coho. I have nothing against hatchery fish and believe they should all be clipped. Unfortunately, fish know no boundries, so once those unclipped net pen fish cross into MA 9, they are off limits to us except for the last week of September. So, how do we go about achieving getting all hatchery fish clipped? I personally don't ever see it happening with the players involved. SF
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#1064026 - 08/06/24 03:44 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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It will only happen when there is sufficient pressure for conservation at selective fisheries by all users is mandated in mixed-stock areas. For salmon, it will also require the agreement of AK and Canada otherwise what's the point?
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#1064029 - 08/06/24 04:21 PM
Re: $240 Million to Fix Tribal Hatcheries
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Why would Alaska or Canada need to be involved with getting fish clipped in a local net pen coho fishery? SF
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