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#1065116 - 12/20/24 11:23 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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George Stephanopoulos and ABC news just paid out $15 million along with an apology for defaming me by calling me a rapist on the air. Looks like there are a couple of people in this thread that need to be sued as well. Unless Lifter and Salmo want to recant their defamation?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/politics/trump-abc-news-defamation-lawsuit-settle/index.html
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#1065120 - 12/20/24 12:45 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Anything will be better than the woke shitshow of the last 4 years.
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#1065122 - 12/21/24 09:10 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: The Trumpster]
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River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13491
Originally Posted By: The Trumpster
George Stephanopoulos and ABC news just paid out $15 million along with an apology for defaming me by calling me a rapist on the air. Looks like there are a couple of people in this thread that need to be sued as well. Unless Lifter and Salmo want to recant their defamation?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/politics/trump-abc-news-defamation-lawsuit-settle/index.html


Ha ha! Not a fvckin' chance Trumpster! ABC might be chickensh!t, but don't expect Americans of principle to be. Read the judges decision azzwipe. You're a rapist by most people's understanding of the term even if not technically according to NY state law.

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#1065123 - 12/21/24 09:17 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: fish4brains]
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Originally Posted By: fish4brains
Anything will be better than the woke shitshow of the last 4 years.


Yeah, inflation (caused by Trump, Biden, covid, and supply chain) has hurt. More jobs, getting the economy rolling again, inflation reduction act, infrastructure act, and chips and science act seem like positive results to me. We must have been looking different directions cuz I must have missed the woke sh!tshow you refer to.

Get ready for another round of inflation and explosion of the national debt as MAGA blows the wheels off the bus.

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#1065124 - 12/21/24 09:47 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Notice the demand for a two year lifting of the debt limit? Glad that was quashed at least for the short term. It will be back as raising the debt, through slashing taxes (income) is a centerpiece of the plan.

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#1065125 - Yesterday at 08:21 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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WTH is Musk doing? Smart dude but mental. Torpedoing a spending bill put forth by Johnson with bipartisan support to fund the government and avoid a shutdown? Granted, those bills stink of pork, but that's no way to govern. Thank goodness Congress still has few sensible heads still there willing to stand up. If this is the way it's going to be, him running things, he better double up on his dosage of Ketamine, or we're in trouble!
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#1065126 - Yesterday at 09:10 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Musk got the first CR torpedoed because it included a bill restricting Americans from certain investments in China. Musk is building factories, including an AI one, in China, so he wants to be able to invest there and develop jobs there, not in America. Billionaires don't really GAF about America.

In the CR that passed, Trump didn't get the debt ceiling lifted as he wanted so that he can spend like a drunken sailor on his pet projects when he gets in office. So future raises in the ceiling will be on him.

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#1065127 - Yesterday at 01:06 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Registered: 01/29/19
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The tds flare is so bad, you guys completely forgot about the most unamerican president in american history. Joe 'weekend and brandons' xiden. Matter of fact. Where is that guy? And remember, north Carolina would have disaster relief if it wasn't handed out to illegals and wars overseas. Trump is president, not musk. Hope this can help your tds and get you through the Holliday's. Cheers

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#1065128 - Yesterday at 02:37 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7634
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
And now he wants the Panama Canal back. How's he gonna do that? Take it?

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#1065129 - Yesterday at 11:00 PM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: Carcassman]
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No Stars for You!

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: T-Town
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
And now he wants the Panama Canal back. How's he gonna do that? Take it?


You are so dense, or don’t know any history at all. Likely both.The United States historically had rights to the Panama Canal. The United States PAID FOR and completed construction of the Panama Canal. The United States is now being charged absurd prices and being ripped off for using the Panama Canal.

Yeah. Be reasonable in trade and business or face the consequences. Maybe you just like being a sucker?


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#1065132 - Today at 07:35 AM Re: WA I-2117. Cliff Mass Perspective [Re: RUNnGUN]
FishPrince Offline
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Registered: 07/13/21
Posts: 505
Ok so the Panama Canal was given to Panama after being built and controlled by the USA. It was transferred by treaty to Panama, titled "The Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal." This treaty was ratified by the Senate and thus is federal law. Under this treaty the U.S. retained the permanent right to defend the canal from any threat that might interfere with its continued neutral service to ships of all nations and that Panama would assume full control of canal operations and become primarily responsible for its defense. Trump's interest in the Panama Canal is not necessarily about acquiring the canal. The actual issue is that China now controls two of the five ports adjacent to the canal: Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the Caribbean through Hutchinson Port Holdings Limited, a subsidiary of China controlled Hong Kong-based CK Hutchison Holdings Limited.

So again liberals always get upset about things Trump says. So this is a common pattern with Trump, threaten big consequences if a smaller problem is not fixed. So there is a problem, the Chinese control of these ports violating the permanent neutrality and Panamanian operation of the canal as the treaty states. This is the problem Trump wants fixed and if Panama does not fix it, he is threatening to take the Canal back under the treaty which we have reserved the rights to do. I wouldn't expect taking the canal back to happen but I do expect to see more Panamanian control of the canal ports and fair and neutral treatment of US shipping especially in the fee department.

Also keep in mind that the only reason Panama is an independent country at all is because of US backing. The US purchased the Canal zone from the French Compagnie Universelle du Canal Interoceanique which had tried to build the Canal first and had secured use and control of the Canal Zone from them "in perpetuity," then shortly thereafter backed the Panamanian independence declaration from Columbia. So Panama is just a puppet state of the United States. Always has been, always will be.

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