George Stephanopoulos and ABC news just paid out $15 million along with an apology for defaming me by calling me a rapist on the air. Looks like there are a couple of people in this thread that need to be sued as well. Unless Lifter and Salmo want to recant their defamation?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/14/politics/trump-abc-news-defamation-lawsuit-settle/index.html

Anything will be better than the woke shitshow of the last 4 years.

Ha ha! Not a fvckin' chance Trumpster! ABC might be chickensh!t, but don't expect Americans of principle to be. Read the judges decision azzwipe. You're a rapist by most people's understanding of the term even if not technically according to NY state law.

Yeah, inflation (caused by Trump, Biden, covid, and supply chain) has hurt. More jobs, getting the economy rolling again, inflation reduction act, infrastructure act, and chips and science act seem like positive results to me. We must have been looking different directions cuz I must have missed the woke sh!tshow you refer to.

Get ready for another round of inflation and explosion of the national debt as MAGA blows the wheels off the bus.

Notice the demand for a two year lifting of the debt limit? Glad that was quashed at least for the short term. It will be back as raising the debt, through slashing taxes (income) is a centerpiece of the plan.

WTH is Musk doing? Smart dude but mental. Torpedoing a spending bill put forth by Johnson with bipartisan support to fund the government and avoid a shutdown? Granted, those bills stink of pork, but that's no way to govern. Thank goodness Congress still has few sensible heads still there willing to stand up. If this is the way it's going to be, him running things, he better double up on his dosage of Ketamine, or we're in trouble!

Musk got the first CR torpedoed because it included a bill restricting Americans from certain investments in China. Musk is building factories, including an AI one, in China, so he wants to be able to invest there and develop jobs there, not in America. Billionaires don't really GAF about America.

In the CR that passed, Trump didn't get the debt ceiling lifted as he wanted so that he can spend like a drunken sailor on his pet projects when he gets in office. So future raises in the ceiling will be on him.

The tds flare is so bad, you guys completely forgot about the most unamerican president in american history. Joe 'weekend and brandons' xiden. Matter of fact. Where is that guy? And remember, north Carolina would have disaster relief if it wasn't handed out to illegals and wars overseas. Trump is president, not musk. Hope this can help your tds and get you through the Holliday's. Cheers

And now he wants the Panama Canal back. How's he gonna do that? Take it?

You are so dense, or don’t know any history at all. Likely both.The United States historically had rights to the Panama Canal. The United States PAID FOR and completed construction of the Panama Canal. The United States is now being charged absurd prices and being ripped off for using the Panama Canal.

Yeah. Be reasonable in trade and business or face the consequences. Maybe you just like being a sucker?


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Ok so the Panama Canal was given to Panama after being built and controlled by the USA. It was transferred by treaty to Panama, titled "The Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal." This treaty was ratified by the Senate and thus is federal law. Under this treaty the U.S. retained the permanent right to defend the canal from any threat that might interfere with its continued neutral service to ships of all nations and that Panama would assume full control of canal operations and become primarily responsible for its defense. Trump's interest in the Panama Canal is not necessarily about acquiring the canal. The actual issue is that China now controls two of the five ports adjacent to the canal: Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the Caribbean through Hutchinson Port Holdings Limited, a subsidiary of China controlled Hong Kong-based CK Hutchison Holdings Limited.

So again liberals always get upset about things Trump says. So this is a common pattern with Trump, threaten big consequences if a smaller problem is not fixed. So there is a problem, the Chinese control of these ports violating the permanent neutrality and Panamanian operation of the canal as the treaty states. This is the problem Trump wants fixed and if Panama does not fix it, he is threatening to take the Canal back under the treaty which we have reserved the rights to do. I wouldn't expect taking the canal back to happen but I do expect to see more Panamanian control of the canal ports and fair and neutral treatment of US shipping especially in the fee department.

Also keep in mind that the only reason Panama is an independent country at all is because of US backing. The US purchased the Canal zone from the French Compagnie Universelle du Canal Interoceanique which had tried to build the Canal first and had secured use and control of the Canal Zone from them "in perpetuity," then shortly thereafter backed the Panamanian independence declaration from Columbia. So Panama is just a puppet state of the United States. Always has been, always will be. Oh yeah! Panama! Pan-a-ma-a!

Fish Prince,
Thank you for the history lesson. I've always thought that we should have kept control of the Canal.
There's a lot going on in politics right now, and it's moving at a lightning pace. America needs a change in direction, and I think we're going to get it. Most of it will be good I think. A wise political scientist once told me that if you can find a politician that you agree with seventy percent of the time, you should vote for them. I did. Here we go on the Trump Mobile. It aint gonna' be perfect, but I think it'll be better.

Less we forget the US had to take action and remove Noriega after he massed a personal fortune through drug trafficking operations by the Panamanian military.

Yeah it was given away by Jimmy Carter, who after Biden was the 2nd worst president of my lifetime. Regan also disagreed with giving it away as do I. However, I didn't mention it because I live by two principles: 1) Don't harm anyone physically, their freedoms or their property and 2) Do what you say you are going to do. So under the 2nd principle since we have agreed to give it away, I would honor that. However it was given away with terms attached.

The reason why the Chinese control of these ports is a problem is because of the military significance. In a war with China over Taiwan we would want to transit the Panama Canal with our naval fleet and the Chinese ports at either end of the canal "might interfere" with that because the Panamanians don't have "full control." Both quoted terms here are in the treaty, so it's a violation. I expect that it will be fixed rather than repossessing the canal.



That's good advice but I'd push it further, if I agree with someone 50% of the time, I am your friend forever and will walk with you to the ends of the Earth as best buds forever. I only agree with Trump 66% of the time, the Libertarian party 80% of the time, the Republican party 50% of the time, the Green party 25% of the time, the Socialist party 25% of the time and the Democratic party 5% of the time.

Even though I disagree with 33% of what Trump says and does, I still have had a cardboard cutout of him along with a flag in the Trump shrine in my kitchen since his first presidency and it's still there. There is a pic of it in this very thread. I voted for him 3 times as well.

Typical Trump, thinks the US can own whatever it wants. Kinda' like Putin and Russia in that regard. I see Trump is bringing up the desire to "own" Greenland again. Without talking to anyone in Greenland or Denmark, of course. Trump truly is the 78 year old petulant child; anyone else's wants, needs, or desires are always irrelevant to him.

FP, 50% is a pretty low bar.

Why you care so much, bruh? What’s wrong with wanting to acquire Greenland if it enhances the US? Why do you always hate America, Salmo?

Greenland is controlled by Denmark. It is my understanding they are not interested in selling, but the only way Trump gets it is if he offers enough money for it that they accept, or he takes it from them. I’ll bet you a lot of money the latter doesn’t happen Salmo. There are several thousand people who live there whose lives would be instantly better under US control. I’m still failing to see the issue here?

You just have TDS. You should probably see a therapist. I know a good one that can help you out. PM me and I’d be happy to refer you. Trump’s totally livin’ rent free bruh. You must be miserable.


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Merry Christmas bruh's!

I flew over Greenland once, coming home from overseas and was able to look out the window. Lotta' ice. It makes me wonder if there might be great fishing in a river there, like Iceland has great fishing? Poor future for loggers there.

Merry Christmas everyone.

No TDS. TDS is what Trump cultists have. You cult members have it backwards. I care about peace and stability in the world because the lack of it could adversely affect me. (Not peace at any cost, like throwing Ukraine to Putin.) What's wrong with wanting to acquire Greenland is the same thing as what would be wrong with wanting to acquire, say, Norway. You don't acquire sovereign, autonomous, or semi-autonomous countries unless you're like Hitler over-running Poland and France.

If Trump offers enough money to "buy" Greenland, how is that helping the U.S. deficit while at the same time not balancing the U.S. budget? Why would those several thousand lives be better under U.S. control? You do realize, don't you, that the U.S. doesn't have the highest standard of living in the world. That belongs to some of those icky socialist countries, like Norway and Denmark. And maybe Greenland for all I know.

The issue is probably hard to see for narcissistic, megalomaniac, self-centered dolts like Trump and his cult members. Taking over another country and the people in it isn't like buying a piece of real estate, which is something Trump might know a little about. Acquiring a country without the people's express consent is like that little thing called tyranny, which does appear to fit Trump's personality.

No misery here. You think you know more than you do. As a Trump cult member you likely suffer from Dunning-Krueger effect.

Merry Christmas to all you reprobates!

Tug,

Greenland has some rivers that support runs of Arctic char.

Merry Christmas!