Who'da' thunk it; we don't seem to be getting any closer to agreement. Ordinarily I don't wish ill will on anyone. Part of me being a live and let live sort of guy. But I'm willing to make exceptions for Trump voters. BTW, I don't hate anyone or anything other than brussels sprouts. As I've posted before, hate takes energy, and I won't waste mine. Hate is for the racists and homophobes in Camp Trump.

I'm done arguing about abortion. We aren't getting any where.

How can I be wrong about J6? The facts are self evident. Either the rioters were or were not convicted of their various participations in assailing the Capitol. Given the self evident fact that they indeed were convicted, they are felons if their crime was a felony. Some were convicted or plead guilty to misdemeanors, so they aren't felons, but they're still criminals. That's just the way it is.

A lot of the Biden pardons wouldn't even be thought about, let alone made necessary because Trump has threatened everyone he perceives as having wronged him. Yeah, cuz he never did anything wrong. Pure as the driven snow, right? Get a grip. As for the majority of Biden's pardons, they were for minor drug convictions that under today's laws would result in far less in the way of sentences or punishment. Guess I can live with that. Biden is no angel, but no one on planet earth is more scumbag than Trump. That's one thing he truly is the king of.

This is fun. I see today that Trumps revocation of birthright citizenship was shut down with a TRO. Now really, does the plain English meaning of the 14th Amendment mean what it actually says? Or is Trump's opinion somehow superior and right and the Constitution is wrong? The Felon in Chief is going to be a soft target for endless slams and criticisms.

Have you tried vinegar on fresh steamed Brussels sprouts?

Now were talkin... A Lil balsamic on a tray of Brussels. Im eating them all.

See. Your TDS causes you to go against your general beliefs.



You aren’t getting anywhere. You’ve failed to provide any type of convincing argument on the topic. At all. Both myself and FP have laid out valid and convincing arguments in this and other threads. You can’t even answer my question about how civilizations develop things like morality, ethics, etc. without influence from religions. You’re basic bro.



Closer but still not there. Looks like you are walking back your response now. The majority aren’t felons or criminals. This answer is only slightly more accurate than your previous one. You have more work to do.



So Biden’s family members (excluding Hunter), Fauci, Mark Milley, J6 panel are all druggies too? We know Hunter is a druggie of course, but also had gun charges. Tell me more about how Biden isn’t an angel. I’d like to hear more. If Trump is the MAGA King Scumbag of planet earth, then what does that make Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, and the thousands of serial murders, child molesters and rapists? Not to mention Democrats like Pelosi’s, Gavin Newscum, Jay Inslee, Bob Ferguson, Bill Gates, etc. and yourself?



The privilege of United States citizenship is a priceless and profound gift. The Fourteenth Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” That provision rightly repudiated the Supreme Court of the United States’s shameful decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), which misinterpreted the Constitution as permanently excluding people of African descent from eligibility for United States citizenship solely based on their race.

But the Fourteenth Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship universally to everyone born within the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment has always excluded from birthright citizenship persons who were born in the United States but not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Consistent with this understanding, the Congress has further specified through legislation that “a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is a national and citizen of the United States at birth, 8 U.S.C. 1401, generally mirroring the Fourteenth Amendment’s text.

Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

So basically, Salmo, you are wrong again and your unjustified TDS clouds your ability to think critically. Just give it up bro. I’m not saying you have to like the guy (I particularly don’t) but you shouldn’t let leftists and MSM hatred steal your mind and insert the clear hatred for him. Can’t you even have an original thought bro?

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the constitution wasnt written for immigranst coming from drug infested countries, to infest this country with drugs and criminals... are they all criminals? nope, not at all... but the criminals are using it to their benefit...


blame them for the rukus, not people trying to protect this nation and its citizens...

the 14th amendment was written to grant former slaves and their children, citizenship...

also, Biden pardoned a cop killer even Obama wouldnt pardon...

Funny Salmo, but you perfectly outlined liberal thinking ......" If you're a conservative, the laws of this country ought to stay out of the lives of its citizens to the extent practicable".....

Liberals have no problem, though, with stepping into the lives of everyone.

From outlawing plastic bags, straws, taxing sugar drinks at almost 100%, seatbelt laws, and how chickens are raised to a million other intrusions into our ever day life, the liberals want to control everything - except when it comes to protecting kids from self mutilation or being killed in the womb.

Too bad the states richest county can’t keep the entire Green River Valley Road clean from South Park to Flaming Geyser. Garbage, shrit piles, needles, drugy dumps at nearly all wide spots, turn offs /WDFW land, boat put in & take outs. As it’s all in King’s county, you’d think they could work all the road. Maybe it’s the city of Kent that keeps it clean, where as Auburn, not so much ? Only peeps trying to mitigate all the crap&dumping outside of the city limits are the locals ...

“Keep Washington Green “ they like to say.

Streamer, you know damn well that your anti-abortion arguments are convincing only to like minded individuals as yourself. 65 - 80% of the country disagrees with you (the variation depending on when surveys were taken).

Please read more closely; I said "the majority of the pardons . . ."

Per J6, if you're convicted or plead out, you're a criminal. No, not all are felons, but many are.

As for the applicability of the 14th A, I guess we'll let the courts sort it out. I've not seen a ruling that one or both parents must be in the country legally, but that would be logical.

I over-reacted on scumbag level. Putin and Un are worse than Trump - so far. So I'll retract and say that Trump is only the most despicable POS in the U.S.

Krijack, in a perfect world we wouldn't have any laws interceding with anyone's activities. But, alas, the world we have is the world we get. A liberal society understands that rules and laws are necessary both for orderly co-existance and so that some members don't misuse their freedom to adversely affect their neighbors. Are you suggesting that plastic bags and straws are good for the environment, you know, that environment everyone depends on? Yeah, those would seem like over reach, except so many cretins are degenerate azzholes, they have to be steered in a direction that doesn't adversely affect everyone else. (Elect me as your illiberal dictator and littering would be a capital offense, punishable on the spot.) Since ag is and has for a long while been a factory industry and not small family farms, yes, there needs to be rules for raising chickens and other livestock I suppose. How the masses are fed affects society. Seatbelt laws (and motorcycle helmets) are so society at large doesn't end up paying for the perpetual care of victims of the careless. I'd rather have the seatbelt law than to pay for care of the injured. Call it a self defense law. If society only got stuck with the cost of shoveling up splattered remains, I'd be fine with that. Liberal enough for you?

Is it too soon to talk about a third Trump impeachment? This moron can't propose any action that isn't unconstitutional, illegal, unwarranted or unwise. For two election cycles he complained that other nations were emptying their prisons to flood the streets of America with dangerous criminals and mentally ill individuals. So, what's the first thing Trump does when he's elected...flood America's streets with more than fifteen hundred felons, miscreants and misdemeanor violators. Hypocrisy Much?
Then, there's the attempt to end birthright citizenship by executive order, which is unconstitutional. Or, the overnight firing of 17 IGs, which is illegal. There's a procedure for dismissing an IG, and Trump didn't follow it. I'm still waiting to witness the clusterfvck that follows his attempt to deport millions of "illegal immigrants".
The pillars of the MAGA/Republican Party are Corruption, Cover up, Political Cowardice and HYPOCRISY. The party hasn't had a platform they wished to share with the American voters the last three election cycles.
Think Trump will still be in office come midterms?

Trump is a convicted Felon and will be the greatest president in history,, bringing the most change and causing a collective shift in how the world works and the way people think...

Some of you retards were confused on why I myself was not arrested by the FBI for speaking freely...

Trump is going to change the money system,, the structure of government and purge idiocy and corruption...

Not to mention Trump is going to end the IRS and Federal Income Taxes completely,, fund the federal government completely on Tariffs like it was between 1870 and 1913...

I began this thread as Greed meets Hate, but it has now devolved into greed & hate meet idiocy. Trump is a stain on the fabric of America.

America has changed if you have not noticed..

Pretty much everything I have warned you about has happened or is happening…


Trump is working with other leaders/oil producers to up production and flood the market with oil to crash the price and force deflation on all goods and services while at the same time forcing the FED to lower interest rates probably to negative…. Forcing the FED to turn on the printing press to feed the demand for cash And to hyperinflate the money in a booming economy with deflated fuel and goods prices… To force the FED into a position where their debt can be paid off without interest in hyper inflated currency also exposing the FIAT dollar as inadequate to service the US/world economy ushering in Gold as the new standard as obvious.

No. It has evolved into a more well-rounded discussion instead of your blabbering, hateful, rant that it started as.



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America is certainly changing, or Trump is trying to change it. He fired 15 inspectors general (most of whom he appointed during his first term) without taking time to note that he cannot do that under the law. He must give Congress 30 days notice and provide clear and cogent reasoning why each one should be removed. He could follow the law and still get it done because the Republican Congress would likely agree with Trump that the IGs should be fired to better facilitate Trump's corruption throughout the 15 executive government agencies.

Past practice becomes policy if not challenged…