I have fished with a 1000 Lami for over ten years, bought a 1024C GL3 Loomis. I really love the Lami, I have fished for and caught silvers, chum, chinook, steelhead, and misc. saltwater fish with it. However, Loomis just feels more sensitive, lighter, and stronger. Time will tell, but when considering new rods, I am leaning heavily towards Loomis. I would buy another 1000 for an all around rod. I don't think you can beat it for the money. I haven't broken either, yet, but hope to test the limits of the Loomis before long.

hey
I jsut got a custum built rod from TH and its a loomis. It beats any thing and every thing I own hands down and I own a very large variety of rods. As for feelin like a broom stick man I dont know where you get that from
with my rod I can feel stuff I never knew was there before like the fish
Friends dont let Friends fish lami's


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work is for people who dont know how to fish

well all said and done now, fish don't care if you got a 12 buck rod or a 400 buck rod. all comes down to your own choice. what ever works or whatever you can afford. if you want to throw money in the fire get a loomis, or go to walmart and but four rods for the same price they all will work fine if you know what your doing.

I own and use just about every popular Lami and Loomis. Were talking G-500, G-1000, CertPro, LHS, LHS II, IM6, GL2, GL3 and IMX. The only ones I haven't tried are the GLX and Titanium models. They are all good-excellent rods. Obviously my favorites for specific angling applications are upper-end Lami's and Loomis'. But it's not coincidental that these are also the pricest of the lot. With this said; comparing "Lamiglas vs. Loomis" can only be done with comparable priced models. We're talking Cert Pro vs. GL2 or Titanium vs. IMX. Since I have not tried the Titanium; I cannot compare the latter. But, between the Cert Pro and GL2; if I were to pick a summer stlhd/coho rod (4-10lbs, 6-10lbs, 8-12lbs), I'd pick a Cert Pro. For a heavier king/nate rod (8-17lbs, 10-20lbs, 12-25lbs), I'd go GL2.

As far as the warranties go. Lami is better. I've had half a dozen broken Lami tip sections replaced for just the price of shipping ($3-$5). As for Loomis; I "used" to own three GL3 1025C's (When pitching the Upper Quinalt you need a backup to the backup). One of these developed a hairline crack on the tip section due to heavy usage. I sent it back to Loomis and received a new tip for $50; a far cry from $3, but still not bad. Another 1025 had one of the ceramic guides fall out. I sent this one back to the factory to get the guide replaced. They ended up losing my rod. Although they sent me a brand new one, it was the newer model w/o the hardwood insert. Needless to say I was PO'd. For me the wood reel seats added character to Loomis rods. I ended up selling that scab model. Now that my bench is not as deep, I gotta get more out of my starters...

Over the past few years, Ive seen many rods come back broken. Some broken due to defects-the rod breaking when it should not have and most due to stupidity.

The fact is that a company can not support constantly sending new products at no charge out to customers just because of someone's negligence and stupidity.

You have to understand what your rod is made for. Do not but a 1141 expecting to fish it for springers, some people do and then ***** and moan when it breaks and Loomis charges them.

The amount of rods that Loomis was sending out to people was huge and you can not be a successful company when you are running a business they were. I have no problem with them charging a fee for a broken rod especially when you slam it in a car door, fall on it (Mr. Sloan ), or drive off with it while its hanging out your window. You should be lucky you are not having to buy a totally new rod.

I will admit though that Loomis's customer service has gone down the tubes since the buy out and their quality control has too. Plus some of the cosmetic and componet changes I do not like at all.

On a somewhat humerous/slash I wish I had that much money note. A good customer of ours wanted "the best." He is a very very very well of bussinessman. He wanted a good smelt rod, an extra long rod with a soft tip and a heavy backbone. So I showed him a 1141 Allstar and then a GL3 1141. He wanted the GL3. He kept asking me if it was the best. So I grinned and walked over and grabbed the GLX 1141. He wanted. LoL. Now onto spinning reels. I showed him the Shimano Stella. He put it on the rod and asked me if it was the best and I nodded my head yes. So anyways most people do not spend $900 on their steelhead outfit let alone their smelt outfit.

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Ryan S. Petzold
aka
Sparkey and/or Special

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Loomis!!!

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LOOMIS
Nothin beats custom built and imagin this they are cheaper then what they sell for in catalogs
Right TH

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work is for people who dont know how to fish

I'll have to say it definitely is a chevy/ford scenerio. I'll say that the loomis' are nice, I have a couple. But I've caught a helluva lot more on cheaper rods. In fact I have an old Kunnan that has awesome feel for being a "cheap" rod. I feel it's more the fishermen then the rod. I'll admit that loomis' will add to the feel, but if you're a good fishermen you don't need it. My most successful rod is my old 85c fenwick with an old ambassadeur on it. I'm talking OLD feralite with carbide eyes. It's the old driftrod (smaller diameter blank with smaller casting eyes). It's knowing WHAT to feel as opposed to having it crammed down your throat (which doesn't hurt in todays society).

Hey Sparkey, I'm not sure on Loomis' warranties, but I know they have a conditional warranty. What sells a rod is the warranty they supply. Almost all the major rod manufacturers (especially the fly rod makers) have an unconditional to conditional warranty. They'll sell alot more product because of it. The amount of rods sold versus the amount they exchange makes it worthwhile. Plus, there's no way that it costs as much as they say to build a rod. I remember 15-20 years ago you could easily go down to shoffs and buy a quality blank (fenwick, lami's, and some misc.) and buy components and build a rod for about 50% of price of new. Now, I assume there's a pricefix with blank companies to make it non cost efficient to build your own (unless you want a custom rod). I deliver to the guy who set up the original graphite formulas for lami and the machines to manufacture and it sounded like the costs weren't as much as being passed on to us (it also sounded like it was a pain in the initial setup to get the blanks to turn out correctly). To get back to what I was saying, you sell yourself because of this warranty. I've snapped two lamis. Both on fish. Cost me shipping back and no extra. Had a friend snap his Loomis same way and cost him $50. It pissed him off royally. He wasn't even overloading rod (I guess it was a defect in the rod). He had to pay for a loomis defect. For the money you're spending you should get better service. I understand the no questions asked policy, just pay the money. I bet you're paying the replacement price for the section (what it actually costs). Before anyone jumps in about costs, I used to have my friends bring back fuji components when they were stationed in Japan. I could have them sent to me for fraction of price here, including paying tariff in customs (it sure sucked when they got out of the military). I'm sure lami, loomis, or any of the other companies who buy in bulk like they do get them for little to nothing. I like my loomis, but for service I like my lami's. Plus, I've had no problems with them. There are a couple loomis' I'd like to get, but cost is what slows me down. Being a single parent with two kids and getting no child support from the ex puts a strain on the old checkbook.

You know, if you've looked at the new shimanos, they sure look alot like loomis don't they? Hmmmmmm, shimano bought loomis, and now they're rods are looking like them. And they're cheaper too...Hmmmm. I'm tempted to take a look and feel of the new shimano's and see if they're the same. Kind of like the days when you could buy a Cortland fly rod cheaper then a lami fly rod. Yet, they were made in same factory from same blank just different labels put on them (I learned this years ago from same guy who set up their production, he still has some of those old cortlands). May be an outlet.

Well, to put this long winded response short, go with what you put faith in. In the end, you're the one who catches the fish, and you're the one who controls it in. If you don't have faith in the rod, chances are the rod won't catch fish.
Jerry

Ps, I assume the guy who posted that the loomis was a broomhandle, I assume it's the rod he must have bought. Of course there are many models with many actions. You pickup a big king rod opposed to a summerrun steelie rod, you'll have a big difference.

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you haven't lived til you've rowed a cataraft. Friends don't let friends run Outcasts.

This is not a Chevy Forh thing,it's more like BMW vs a Hyundia.
I own several Lamis a 8 1/2 1000 series,a 9'1325#
I would chose my Berkley series 1# over both.
But for shear response,sensitivity and performance,My GL-3 1143 kicks their A$$....no contest.

and the broom stick thing ....turn it around Dude you're fishing off the wrong end ....Os

After hearing the success stories on the Lami' return policy, I decided to return a 1000 that I had bought in the late 80's. This rod hadn't lived the easiest life and had caught hundreds of fish. I packed this rod through lots of brush, but all in all, it looked damn good for it's age and use. I finally broke it last fall on a hard snag and it broke right were the top half and butt section meet. I think the reason it broke was because I didn't have it seated completly. It was hard to tell after the fact, but I'm pretty sure that's why it failed. When it broke it tore the fiber down the front of the butt section somewhat. Now here is the service I recieved today at the woodland headquarters.


Walked in the front door and the woman at the desk had me report to the service counter. I nice man looked at the rod and then went back and sent the biggest a$$hole out to me that I've ever had the fortune to deal with. He looks at the rod and instantly accuses me of either shutting in a door or I dropped a tacle box on it. "no way are we going to cover that", he says. Then the other guy says that's a pre-86' and it only had a three year warranty. I told him, "no, it came with a lifetime warranty when I bought it". They then ask me to produce the 15 year old sales receipt??? Well after he raised his voiced and called me a liar for a couple of minutes, I was able to ask him what he could do for me and he replaced the rod for a $50 dollar charge.

I lost a lot of respect for Lamiglass at this point in my life. I feel like I got the $100+ out of the rod that I paid 14-15 years ago and am completly happy with the $50 dollar replacement on the rod that now sells in the $150 range. What I'm completly disgusted with is the way I was treated. I was guilty before I walked in the front door of somekind of alleged abuse to the rod. I believe the failure may have been caused by me not seating the rod completly. Never had I dropped anything on the rod or shut it in any door.


I've been a Lamiglass customer half my life and own two of their 1000 rods. I personally love the action and feel of them, but I'll never buy another one after the way I was treated. They need to brush up on their "customer service", and learn how to approach situations in a non-combative way. Bunch of freagin' jerks in my book.

My next rod will be a Loomis.