Over at this board, I brought the old gill net thread. They are smashing it over there. Check it out! http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/index.cfm?category=nw

Zaq, that comes from the frustration of guys that believe the Indian gillnetting can't be stopped. Even if they are right, what you are doing is a good thing because it can reduce their market for the netted fish and maybe reduce their netting of them subsequently. If not right away, then eventually. Worth keeping after - and I respect your efforts. It also educates more of the non-fishing public. Thanks Zaq. - Steve

they are all a bunch of flyfisherman :Djk
I looked all over that board and could not find that post.

Under a post I started called Natives killing Natives!

Zaq, where are these people from?

After reading the posts here I see the same old thing again and again. " Indians Killing Wild Fish" Do you realize that Sportsmen in most years catch & kill more wild fish than the indians do. Look at the Statistics, do some research. None of us like the gill netting, I fought hard for 696 and would have fought to get the Native Americans to stop gill netting too. But What about us sportsmen still killing wild steelhead? How can we even think of telling them to stop gill netting when we are out there bonking away. I think it's safe to say that some Native Americans don't report every wild fish caught in their nets but I know it's very safe to say that there are sportsmen that don't report wild steelhead kills on their cards. Let's clean up our own mess and get rid of bonking of all wild fish. Anyone know how many wild steelhead were killed by sportsmen in Washington State in the 1990's? Look it up and stop complaining about the Indians atleast untill we get State wide C&R on wild fish.

Never mind I sound like a broken record, doesn't do any good
Fishhead5

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wow, even people here think sportsman kill more wild fish than indians, you have got to be kidding, i just cant believe this. you have a lot to learn land tuna.

Land Tuna: PLEASE! Tell me what you are smoking and where you are getting it because I want some too! Get real! There is no way possible that the annual fish kill by sportsmen is even close to the annual fish kill by tribal fishermen (especially if you are doing your count per capita) The tribal fishermen RAPE the fish runs. Are you a Tribal member? I mean, I would expect this kind of half-cocked logic from a Tribal spokesperson, but not from ANY self respecting sportsman. I do not know where you got your data from, but it is either out dated or a plain out and out lie! Go watch the tribes pull nets some time, and after you've done that, E-mail me and try to tell me that you still think that we kill more fish than Tribal netters do.

Land Tuna, just show us this data you are talking about. It sounds ludicrous, but if you have knowledge of these statistics then bring it on and we can all talk about it.

That has to be a guy telling a joke. We kill more fish than the tribes? I think the Japanese netters probably kill more than the tribes when the run is up near Alaska, but we lowly hook and line guys can't come close. Last time I had a 50 fish day..................................can't remember one!

Come one, Land Tuna. It's been over 24 hrs. now and still no data. Are yougonna get us some hard facts or did you just make it all up to aggrevate us?

land tuna- STOP now!!!!In the bible lying is one of the TEN comandments!!!

If you really believe sportsman kill more natives then indians that would be a lie!!!Don't let the wrath of GOD strike you!!!!!!


POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

had a few of them 50 -100 fish days on cook creek. oh - that was on indian land.

Sheeit, were you using a net?

I suspect it's going to be tough for anyone to come up with reliable statistics on who kills more wild fish - the tribes or the sport anglers. Although the tribes are required to record their catch, as are the sport anglers, I do not believe they differentiate between wild and hatchery fish in their catch records. Likewise, on my punch card, I only record the fish that I keep. And I release all wild steelhead, in part, because it's illegal to do otherwise on most rivers. For those rivers where C&K is legal for wild steelhead, the State doesn't require you to seperate wild from hatchery on your punch card. So.... don't expect much quantitative information on this issue.

However, here's something that has probably happened to many of us but won't get recorded anywhere, but is still signficant. I was fishing the NF Lewis River for springers last week with my usual assortment of large (#5) spinners. I felt a small bump so I quickly set the hook. I promptly pulled in a wriggling 6-inch rainbow trout (a future steelhead?). It had all it's fins. Unfortunately, it was also hooked badly. The hook went thru the upper part of it's mouth and out the eye. Gruesome. I gently tried to remove the hook but the wound was significant. I released it and it quickly darted off. About 15 minutes later it was floating belly up along the shore. One potential wild steelhead from a river that could use more is now dead. This won't get recorded on my punch card or count in any of the statistics. Those of us who use salmon eggs as bait, as do I, are familar with this problem. We're killing an unknown number of small salmon and steelhead, some of which are wild fish. Let's not ignore that.

Zaq, most if not all the fish out of the Quinalt River that go up Cook Creek are hatchery fish heading to their awaiting ponds. If Blueback had "a few 50 to 100 fish days on Cook Creek" you can bet it was with a net. I doubt he knows what a GL3 or maybe even a corky is . Letty Potter knows what those are - she and a couple friends of mine came close to hooking 50 winter steelhead between them on Cook Creek when lots of fish were in - and they all are good sportfishers unlike Blueback. Fortunately few nates go up that creek anymore from what I've been told by a hatchery employee when I visited there last fall. Although some go above when the electric bars are off. ... They were so overstocked with silvers they were giving them away, primarily to the Quinalts as is proper.

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Land tuna is right about one thing, until sportsmen stop killing wild fish we can't say $#!+ about the indians. Don't forget about fish counts from forks feb-april There were days that the checker reported close to 100 fish bonked by the sportsmen, leagal or not that really sucks!!! those sportsmen who bonk wild fish to take home and say "look what I caught honey" don't have the right to say $#!+ about the indians. This whole deal really stinks, sorry to ramble to ramble on, I'm just frustrated.

The state does have the sportman determine if its a wild or hatchery fish for steelies atleast. Thats what the marked or unmarked portion or your punch card is when you fill it out. I'm sure the netters don't have to though.

Tight lines

Kevin

i don't fish with a gl3 like you, i go for the imx. i heard about you going to the cook creek hatchery and saying "i know letty potter, thinking you were going to get in good with the people there, wrong. think before you speak.