So what's up with everybody bagging on STS, the RT/paint issue aside. Give me a break. Go subscribe to National Geo. or Scientific American if you want your mag precisely edited. Sure, they make editing goofs at STS and sometimes it raises a stink from the humorless. I suppose it could have a little something to do with the editor also being a steelhead and salmon junkie.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I was nearly getting a woodrow reading Herzog's article on the 30 lb'ers and seeing the accompanying photos. That's some great sh!t, and you're not getting it from Field & Stream. If you wanted to edit STS to death, you could. But STS is a magazine that publishes articles from guys like us, as well as established outdoor writers. Do you want a magazine that turns its nose up at you because you're not Bill Herzog? (sorry, Bill ). Of course Zog and Vedder and Ramsey and those legendary guys get top billing because they're good writers as well as skilled fishermen. But I also want to hear from skilled anglers who may not be Ernest Hemmingway.

You can bag on STS if you want, just don't try swiping mine before I get a chance to read it. If you're all wound up about editing, call Nick up and complain. I'm going to call him up and tell him his magazine kicks a$$ on anything else out there, and that anybody complaining just isn't catching enough fish. I think STS is a pretty good read for 20 bucks a year. I enjoy it as much now as when I was scouring STS for tips, hints, and gear info.

No ones bagging on STS, just a misunderstanding in RT's article.

I have over the years noticed poor editing at times with Amato's books. Only a rare occasion though is it overly distracting.

But because of what I've learned from his books over the years and the reading that I have enjoyed, the sub-par editing is no big deal.

If I want editing perfection I can go sit in my master's program and read the boring S#@t they feed us every day. If I want stimualation I read in no particular order, STS, NW Flyfishing, or my wife's Fredricks of Hollywood catalog...well, at least I look at the pictures.

Hell we can't even edit a couple pharagraphs,even when you guy's that care try.I don't think that anyone is or can bag on STS.Now this forrum on the other hand

I have almost every copy of STS since they came out. All I have to say is they are the best!!! The tips I have gotten over the years are priceles.

Thanks Dan and guys for a proper perspective on STS and editing magazines in general. And the editing is harder and better than you think. You should see some of the stuff that comes in there. I'll give you an example >

This is a paragraph from my debated Dec./Jan column as it appeared in STS; compare it to what was sent in and you see my point:

"Also try some different baits and lures. Instead of just trying eggs and/or sandshrimp, try some pink colored crawfish tails or prawn tails. And Kwikfish/Flatfish aren’t just for ‘nooks! Try size K-11, or a little smaller sizes in clear water. I prefer flame red with black dot eyes for colored water use and the standby ‘blue pirate’ color for clearish water. You can backtroll these for steelhead with the use of the smallest 10 ft. version Jet Planer and 5 ft. leader. You can drift fish them with lead and a 4 ft. leader, allowing them to drift then swing across holding water; especially good in moderate depth tailouts for holding or fresh arrived fish. And you can anchor over seams (at the edge of the faster water where fish often hold), or stand over seams from a land outcropping or waded position, and backbounce and work these small Kwikies around in them. Fish on!"

This was that paragraph before it got edited:

"Also try sum different crap for a chainge, ya idiots. Iinstead oftrying overated eggs or sandshrimp get out anything pink and thorw it in the water guys. And flat fish aren't just for nookie! A size U20 will clear the water. Colors of these flatfeesh just don't mater. Try using them with a Delta Diver with the prongs spewing out in al directions, along with abot a 50 foot leater. You can drift fish thetm if you're an idiot. Its beter to just hover them on the seems. Fish onward cowboys!"

So, you can see what a challenge it is to edit all the articles and columns and ads that come in! I just wish that hadn't left out my joke disclaimer; by accident I'm sure.

RT

Editing Rt's work has got to be full time job,I wouldn't wish that on anybody .........even the ifish-Mods couldn't keep up with him .......Os

I enjoy every issue of STS,
But if you look hard enough I'm sure you can find something inacurate with most articles

I normally only read the first part of Rt's articles (his guest)
since most of his stuff has already appeared on a BB somewhere (jk)...no really :p
But I do like his pics...........Got Knee Pads...classic..................Os

well said Dan!

Hey Os, next issue I have no guest techs - just mine. And they are gonna knock you socks off! It's about C&R nate techs and early springer techs and hot spots. ... Oh wait, you don't wear socks.

RT

I feel sory for all you poor Bast%$&@'s. I am such a poor speller and writer that I never notice things like this, so I mindfully continue on in life with my rose tinted glasses on. Good thing that I make up for my lack of English skills with my fish catching skills. LOL

Been reading STS for lots of years and it's a great mag.

Gone downhill thought in the last few months though, seems they are not too picky on who they let write for them.... Who said "never get into an argurment with someone who owns a newspaper?" ..Sorry RT, I really like your articles.

Yeah I've seen a few pictures of those "camo colored" steelhead you catch Steve.

RT,

One of the most disheartening things a writer has to cope with is seeing a mistake in print, especially when an editor is responsible for a screwup that appears under your byline. You either develop a thick skin and laugh off the critics (many of whom couldn't spell ethics or objectivity, let alone define them), or you get out of the business. I would hope the latter option hasn't entered your mind, because you've got a lot of expertise to offer and a good, if not grammatically refined, publication through which to share it.

And yes, Chuckn'Duck has a way with words. I came to realize that at WSU back in the day when I used to edit his papers -- the ones he didn't directly plagiarize from me, anyway.

JEB
SRBC East

Chuck and duck- Whats SRBC?

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Timber Man ]

Well said Dan S. I read each issue of STS cover to cover and have since before 1990. I think it is a great content magazine. I don't agree with everything, but I eat up 99% of the info. Maybe the editing is rough and inconsistent, but certainly tolerable given the subject matter. I've even read the articles about obscure rivers in New York that I'll never see (probably). I think I just re-upped for another 3 years.

...And we love you all for reading it!!

Bill.

Whaaad I miss? Crow? By the way Blow, where the hell have you been. Thought you might have moved to Deary or possibly Cottonwood. And whats SBRC?

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Chuckn'Duck ]

I will say though that after reading the guest editorial this evening, I was pretty fried!!!

How can a publication that prides itself upon its progressive message of C&R Wild Steelhead (well, C&R on wild steelhead was once progressive and now its pretty standard) publish an article talking about in which the author is proud of the fact that he caught a 30#+ wild steelhead on 6 pound test and that it took him over 30 mintues to land!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

The author argues that certified scales shouldn't be needed to certify a state record and thus fish do not have to be killed-or some other pointless rhetoric along those lines.

Proper Catch and Release does not include taking the time to weigh the fish and in fact proper catch and release says not to net the fish if at all possible!!

Grrrr...they certainly will be getting a letter from me!!!!!!

[ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: RPetzold ]

to much creative marketing for me to handle in this magazine. "most" of the articals are written to put a few plugs in for the advertisers. its all about money like everything else.

To much creative marketing? excuse me, but the rod, reel, line waders, boots, terminal gear, rain jacket, boat, trailer, car, truck, guide, or anything else you use to go fishing with are advertised products. How'd you find out about them, hummm? Your are right boater, every thing is about the money, including the fish you catch. The hatchery workers need to get paid, the license you carry, the gas you use, etc, etc, etc.
Most of the informative posts' on this BB are about new ideas and ways to catch fish, but they all mean spending money! Of all the Mags' out there STS is one of the best. If there is anyone who can actively fish for Steelhead or Salmon without spending any money everytime you go, tell me how you do it, OK? Not that I'll care.