The thing i like most of vision hooks is the BEND!!! I agree hooks must be very sharp, but when using small hooks the bend is the most important! Vision guys.... you have it right. Gammy's are very sharp, but wrong bend, and the small hooks loose there point quick!
I need to try Vision larger hooks, but am worried they are too thick? I like two 5/0's to run my prawn rig... only have been able to get the (spin) i am looking for with vmc's..... extra fine? Parker and gang whats your coments?

How do get on the Vision Web site?
It asks for username and password.

Click on the link to www.visionhooksandtackle.com

CLick on the very large Vision logo. This will take you to our e-site.

Click on the "sign in" button. You will need to click on the "Create New Account" link if you do not have an account.

Once you've created the account, shop like there's no tomorrow! Oh wait, if there was no tomorrow, you wouldn't need to shop, now would you? Who makes up these sayings anywyays? That one is stupid!

Eggs - ask Joe/Justin for a sample of the 5/0's. I'm sure they will work just fine, but like anything else, sometimes it all boils down to personal preference. Try 'em and see if you like 'em!

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: parker ]

Hey Parker thanks for directing me to the website.
Everyone here seems to like these new hooks.
The problem i have is i cant find them anywhere.
Do you guys have sample hooks?

Blah!!

Owner needle points all the way. Way hard steel and a 1/0 almost never bends unless stuck into a rock. I get size 1 for 20c and 1/0 for 25c a piece. Sweet hook up ratio and haven't had a steelie spit a hook yet on my rod. Look up Taka tackle in So Cal and buy the pro packs.

What ever happen to the Mustad boys? Still buy them, fish them and kick ASS, even if I go thru a couple of FILES!!! Next round just keep up. PEACE!!!

Bugleman,
Haven't had one spit the hook yet??? Does that mean you're one for one

Fishhead5

The guys I was fishing with Sat. went 7 boated for 8 hook-ups - the Vision hooks never lost a fish. (The one lost wasn't on a Vision).

if the visions are sharp as gamakatsus, then what difference would price make? seems everyone is cool with spending $300.00 + on a gloomis rod but some of you are complaining about an extra buck for the gamakatsus?? price shouldnt matter, as long as the quality is there...

KSR, I go through about 2000 hooks a year, I don't go through that many rods.

Fishhead5

thats a good point!!

KSR and others,

There is more to Vision hooks than a great value compared to Gamakatsu. It all boils down to the bend of the hooks. Vision hooks have a unique bend from the hook point down which is straighter than comparably sized Gammies. This allows for deeper penetration on the hookset and a slightly larger barb helps keep fish on.

We are not talking about high-modulus graphite rods, we're talking about chemically sharpened hooks. I am very familiar with the process involved in chemical sharpening and Vision, Gamakatsu, Owner, Mustad Ultra Point, etc. are all sharpened in the same fashion. If you want to buy the same thing for a higher price, then be my guest. There are too many guides and recreational fisherman to list that have dumped over-priced Gammies, Owners, etc. and turned to using Vision.

This is America guys, nobody is forcing you to use anything you don't want to. If you want a great chemically sharpened hook or the best worms and swivels on the market for a lot less than the competitors, then look to Vision hooks and tackle. If you haven't used Vision tackle, then please give it a chance before you go knocking it.

Vision is an Olympia, WA based company owned and operated by hard-core fishermen just like yourselves. I have always been in favor of supporting local fishing companies such as Beau Mac, Worden's Lures, Luhr-Jensen, and many of our smaller local jig manufacturers, etc. etc. Thank you for your support and with Vision you will hook and hold more fish!

Saturday I put Visions thru the torture test. I won't say which river but it gets a late run of chrome..yes rooks...very chrome very large fresh from the salt chuck dogs. Yes dogs...hardly a hint of color on them....and notyour Hoodsport saltchuckers. Anyone by now should know that your normal nasty ugly dogs are harsh on tackle including hooks....well how many of you really have experienced them in their true saltwater form? What? Very few? Anyway alls I had were Size 1 Vision blacks as I left my Pips container with all my freshly tied 2/0s siting at home. Now this is the wrong size hook of any brand for these fish but you "dance with the gal you came with." Seven hookups with four to the bank, two busted 12 pd UG mid leader, and one threw the hook. All of the fish were not handled with kid gloves...I purposely wanted to see how much balls my 1025c Allstar, 201 BSF, 12 pd Maxima UG line and leader, and Vision hooks and swivels. If the rod broke or the reel failed fine..I wanted to fully test my chosen weapons. As far as I'm concerned all performed superbly including those tiny little outmatched Vision hooks. All the fish brought to the bank were locked solid in them hard bony jaws with the hooks a pain get out because they were pinned that tight. I've seen some whiners in my time but...aw heck with it if you don't like the product fine buy the overpriced stuff. Also love it when people who have only about one years river fishing experience start sounding like experts all of a sudden .

Gooose

Well heres my .02 on visions vs. Gamis. If your fishing a river that allows barbs then fish a hook that actually has a barb. You may as well label Gami's as barbless because the barb they have sucks. I won't complain about there sharpness though. As far as visions go they do have a hilacious barb, and that with sharpness and amount of offset are the major factors in hooks.
Keith

ahhh, i see it, its a trash gamakatsu thread now...hmmm, maybe the STS guys owed the Vision guys some back advertising so they agreed to this thread??? LOL you gettin paid good for that last post gooose???

KSR
I ain't no ones beeyotch. BTW did I bust specifically on gammies. Sorry guy you're an outright lurker as you have not offered from what I've seen much else than selective negative comments. Am I wrong but didn't you describe yourself as having little experience fishing rivers and were very virginial about the subject of snagging? How you been doing buzzbombing off the piers? Here's an offer for you....when do you want go river fishing and actually do some comparisons between hook brands? What? I'm waiting?

Gooose

"a gammie may bend but I've "never" straightened one." LOL, thats funny!!!!! Vision... great hooks,great price!!!!!!

[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: BK ]

sure. email me and lets go.

Man,you guys take your hooks far too seriously.How can you get mad at each other over a friggin hook?LOL
I guess I'm the only hook hoe out there.I use Gammies,Vision,Owner and Mustad Ultra points.They all do the job well.My only beef with any of them would be where they are manufactured and under what conditions.

It sure does seem like the people who don't want to talk about the zlip like to dangle them,just can't quit fishing,huh I do have to say that v hooks compete with G hooks,the biggest thing in their favor I see is that they sharpen up better.I still think that it has more to do with knowing how the fish think than the gear.I have had too many kids with dull hooks and stinky bait out fish me!