Interesting article.

http://xbiz.com/article_piece.php?cat=43&id=11453

Yes, please. Oh, it wasn't a question?

I watched a show where it was estimated that porn is a 3-billion dollar a year industry. The dude they interviewed said, " And it isn't 3 people spending a billion dollars each."

I'm getting alot of that sentiment via PM and email, Aunty. Bob graciously asked me to tone it down on the main board a bit. I can respect that since he is a friend of mine and my online behavior reflects on him.

Don't expect me to disappear, though. I'll just file down my thorns a little.

Sand has definitely met vaginas on that cell phone thread.

NO PHUCKING HUMOR ALLOWED, SOL!!

You ROCK, Aunty. You too, Dan.

TK, you hiding because you were totally defeated in the debate with KK? That's a little chickenshiat isn't it? Can't take it,huh?

Sucker,

KT is off at his "Camp David" for the holidays, so he isn't wasting his time on riff raff like us for a while.

Sol,

I saw this thread yesterday and read the article. I found it more interesting than actual pornography. Pornography is interesting in that it was the first business allegedly to make a profit on the internet. I suppose other commerce exceeds it now, but it's funny, entertaining, and interesting to think that sex led the way in making internet commerce the big business it is today. Never spent any of my money on it, tho. Looked at the freebies 2 or 3 times, enough for it to become ho-hum. Maybe I'm too cheap, too old, or didn't like all the stupid pop-ups that infected my computer from going there.

Salmo, you can't run unprotected on the internet where porn sites are concerned. If you do, PC destruction is eminant: A good spyware program is a must as is a good virus program like Norton. Adding a router will also prevent information from coming in unless you request it. Even with all that **** you've got to run Ad-Aware or somthing similar once in a while to clean-up your registry.

You need "protection" on this topic Salmo.

The link does help explain why TK is so "confused".

Not was only porn the leader in cyber-commerce, much of the password/authentication/security methods used today derived from there as well. The porn industry did a lot for the internet world.

Sol,

I just got a lot of junk, no PC destruction. And I run Zone Alarm now, but don't need or really desire a porn fix. It seems like I needed a firewall just from the crap I can pick up crusing fishing web sites.

Harley,

It's interesting at least that we owe so much to porn for the advances in internet commerce. It makes me laugh to think about it.

OK now, must go celebrate the coming new year.

Have a good one, everybody!

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Ad Aware from Lavasoft is good, but running FireFox as your browser is even better. I run FireFox (free), AdAware (free), an IP Blocker, and Norton Antivirus. I don't have any trouble with pop ups, or spyware.

I enjoy reading that idiot Rory Bellows posts... Even Jesus is laughing at some of his cut and paste crap.

vhawk is dead on. As I've been told, almost if not all of the spy software on the market is written to attack Microsoft code. The Mozilla FireFox browser is coded differently and is immune to these programs. I also ran it at home and had no problems until my wife and kids grenaded the PC.

Parker says he can fix it. We'll see.

I find it interesting that lefties support porn supposedly as a freedom of expresion. When all the research shows that women involved with porn have been victimized by men in some fashion leading them to porn. You would think all you libs raised by feminist moms would be against it. Porn is for childish people with weak minds. Wow that sounds like SOL.

And you're here to save them like a good bleeding heart, right?

I dont think they can be saved unless they stumble accross something in their lives that motivates them. But I don't enable them either.

I thought KT didn't believe any women were victimized. They simply made bad choices of their own free will, so he has no sympathy for them, by his prior posts.

Funny, KT who knows all, says porn is for childish people with weak minds. Sounds like he's talking about himself again.

What research, and who did it? Conservative pilgrams like yourself? Read the porn industry forums, dude. I'm sure there are exceptions, but most of the women will tell you strait up, they are there because they love sex and they have chosen to shed the conservative female sterio type. I've read many threads by women on this topic and can't remember one in which the concensis of opinion (among females) wasn't resentment toward those like you spouting the BS above.

Who said the woman was being victimized at the point of transaction? or as an adult? I said prior to their entry into porn. Events in thier childhood involving men lead them to porn. It is their way of gaining some measure of control over men. Reversing the roles they played as young women. Only a moron would say it is about sex or money. The end result is almost never the reason and perceptiuon is rarely reality.

I'll buy that, Aunty. Bottom line is they are exercising their own free will. Victimized people do not. Someone who is robbed, assaulted or raped is victimized. Big difference.

Guys like TK, ISO, my dad, my father-in-law, etc., are of 1960's mentality, where women are expected to be submisive to man's sexual advances, and a woman that deviates from that and is outwardly sexual is deemed a threat to their masculinity. I'm guessing men like this NEED an oppresive perspective toward women to function in the bedroom.

Men/boys who are sexualized by porn are or were typically incapable of forming a normal sexual relationship with a female in their teenage years. Some were forced becaue of their looks or socical status. They continue this into adulthood. After marriage they are emotionally incapable of dealing with thier desires with their spouse so continue a fantasy life via porn and even prostitutes or extra marital affairs. Grown ups are able to relate their needs wants and desires to their partner or spouse in open and hoinest dialog and come to some forms of terms or agreement in a healthy relationship. Most marry the goody two shoes required by their paternal or maternal, societal reltionships but secretly desire the slut forbidden by thier upbringing or percieved stautus in their community. They cannot relate or resolve this conflict so they continue their childish habits. Viscous circle of justification and deception.

That makes some sence as does your previous statement, and I'll buy it in some cases, but not as a black and white end-all explaination. Same goes for my statements. The world is full of shades of grey, not black and white.

"Sol, if prostitution were legal and controlled, there would be fewer divorces and damn sure fewer serious "sex" crimes for losers that have no opportunity for normal sexual relations. Also, fewer visits to farm animals in Fall City or Enumclaw or wherever"

One needs to read up on what goes on where it is legal. BC, European nations, Nevada etc.

Perception is not reality.

I do not disagree.

Sal

"Most I know,myself included, feel that our religious upbringing toaught us sex was dirty."

That is an excuse for not thinking for yourself. You nor no one can show where the bible makes sex dirty or demeans womens sexuality. If you think you heard a minister say go jump off a cliff to test the theory of gravity would you have done it? Or would you have gone a looked into a little more before you made a final judgement and taken action? Seems it is appropraite to lay off negatives on the church and parents but all the good is ones own doing in this society.

I didn't have much religious indoctrination as a kid and have never thought of sex as being "dirty." And I have no problems with porn. If somebody gets off on porn, go for it! Who cares?

Same way with religion. I'm not superstitious myself, but if somebody gets off on religion, go for it! Just keep it private and don't inflict it on the rest of the world.

I do wonder what's going on when men have a need to share their porn with other men. I don't get it. Why would a guy want to show his porn to other guys?

Even better if it is an excuse that everyone will buy off on. Just because most people buy off on it does not make it valid. I think the law holds that ignorance is no excuse for a reason. It is not!

Excuse for what?

Sex is not morally wrong in the bible murder is. Its not hard to look it up and verify it. I bet there are more bibles around than science books or books on law. But it's easier to go with the excuse "it's what I was taught." I bet most did not buy into the lie that jerking off would make you go blind. Seems convenient to debunk one teaching out of hand(pun intended) and hold onto the other for a large portion of your life. Not if the intent is to pander to the bible bashing crowd.

I am also a recovering Catholic and still have feelings of rejection because none of the priests tried to molest me.

"All subject to interpretation"

Look it up first before you use an excuse backed up by another excuse for ignorance.

In no case does this type of excuse fly except in the case of bashing religon or the bible.

TK, I'm glad to hear that you are liberated enough to accept "interpretation" as "flying" for bashing "religon" (whatever that is) and the bible. I thought you were a big time Christian, the bible as the inerrant word of God (whatever that is) and all that.

New International Version? What the hell! If the King James version was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me!

My feet are getting hot then.

," don't try to change FACTS to support your game. Many hundreds of years and many thousands of interpretations have concluded that almost all types of sex is a sin. The Puritans thought so and the Shakers sure as hell did too. Much of that mentality in Christianity remains.
"

Compounding ignorance is not benficial like compounding interest but you treat it as such.

This will help you out from under the weight of that ignorance and the hate it breeds.


http://www.ldolphin.org/relationships.html

I'm starting to get the dark side slant here: Tk is the self proclaimed expert on everything. He is always right and everyone else is always wrong. He backs up his logic by siting interpreted sources spun to suit his purpose. He shows all the signs of someone who was mentally and physically abused as a child and adolesent. Scorned by his peers, he turned to mom who emotionally blackmaled him for her affection.

You've got everyone else figured out, TK, here's my take on you. Your mom jerked you off at bathtime growing up and to this day you still have fantasys about fu*%ing her. You're belief in God and an afterlife is the only thing that keeps you from putting a bullit in your head because your pathetic existence here on earth is ****. You are a pioneer type and think most people are
dickheads. You are quick to reprimand, impatient and full of advice. You do nothing but piss-off everyone you come in contact with. You have a wild imagination and often think you are being
followed by the FBI or CIA. You have minor influence on your family and people resent you for flaunting your percieved power. You lack confidence and are a general dip****. You are the logical type and hate disorder. Your sh%t-picking attitude is sickening to your co-workers. You are cold and unemotional and often fall asleep while fu*%ing your wife pretending she's your mother. You have a reckless tendency to rely on your luck since you have no talent. You lie a great deal and you make the same mistakes repeatedly because you are stupid.

Call me what you will, but you and your ministry of misguided minds are destined for obscurity, because when you finally kill yourself the only thing people will remember about you is that you were a jackass.

SOL,you sound like you need a hug today maybe you can call the daycare and pay one of the minimum wages workers to hug your kids as a substitute.

Sol, nice name, source of planetary life.
Nice fish.
Nice face.
content sucks: Tiresome personal attack as usual.

As does the subject. Just calling like I see them.

Analyze you, Aunty. You're easy: A woman with a heart of gold who was cheated in the looks department by your gene pool. By your own admission BTW. Don't get pissed, I love ya. Just givin' it back to ya.

... they are forced into a never-ending regimen of marital counseling with a mental-health care professional?

"they are forced into a never-ending regimen of marital counseling with a mental-health care professional?"

The smart ones choose a healthy life in all aspects physical mental spiritual. The type here are barely able to hide the bitterness they find from the little they see that life has to offer them.
The broken relationships the spitual bancruptcy that drives their glass half full view of the world. Thats ok however because the guy right next to them validates their views so they feel safe with the flock. They have simialr homes, cars and clothes a big TV so their is safetly in likeness. Its those long cold dark nights when age or misfortune set in that really shows you what they are made of. You can learn your lessons by choice or you can wait for life to teach them to you it is all about choice. One by one the persistance of time will show you what you do not know and are afraid to find out.

Wow, what a defeatist. Someone needs some counseling time... with a hug. Time to put on your big-girl panties and get over it.

But Napoleon's right about one thing; I do view my glass as half full -- and rising. Unlike his own pessimistic attitude about not fitting into society, getting old, and making bad decisions; something he must feel guilty about. No one else seems to be as obsessed with it.

Poor disgruntled old man.

Gh your glass is only half full because your wife has her balls in it.

Bondoboy,
Maybe you can tell this leader you imagine where to get the kind of kool aid that gives you big ol stained yellow corn teeth so we can all go out looking like you? Now go fill another dent , Bondoboy!

Oooow, that hurt.

But since you mention my wife, considering she devoted her life to the defense of this nation she obviously has more proverbial sack than you'll ever have.

Go get some counseling, curmudgeon.

I posed TK's statement to women in the adult entertainment industry. Pretty much as I thought. As usual, he's full of sh$t.

http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.php3?s...0824#post260824

Yep thats conclusive.

This is from your friends at the ACLU.


Q: Pornography is the fault of the women who pose for it. Why don't they just stop posing?
A: The women in pornography are most often victims of child sexual abuse. Some studies show that 65 to 75 percent of the current population of women in prostitution and pornography (overlapping experiences for the same pool of women) have been abused as children, usually in the home. People who work with women who are in pornography and prostitution to provide social services or counseling, some of whom have been in pornography or prostitution themselves, believe the percentage is much, much higher. Children run away from home, from the sexual abuse, to cities where they are picked up by pimps, raped, beaten, drugged, and forced into prostitution or pornography.

Women in pornography are poor women, usually uneducated. Pornography exists in a society in which women are economically disadvantaged. The only professions in which women make more money than men are modeling and prostitution-and in prostitution, the pimps keep most if not all of it. Women's economic value is determined largely by sexual value: how much the woman's body is worth in the marketplace as a commodity.

Many women are forced into pornography as children by fathers who sexually abuse them; pornography is made of them as part of the sexual abuse they experience as children. Many women are forced into pornography by husbands, many of whom are violent (battery of married women being the most commonly committed violent crime in the country). Many women are photographed by lovers and find the photographs published as pornography in revenge or retaliation. Aspiring actresses and models are photographed nude, almost a trade practice, and find the photographs published against their will and without their knowledge in pornography.

When a woman has been forced into pornography, the pornography itself is used to keep her in a life of sexual exploitation and abuse. Think of what happens when a battered wife asks for help. She is doing what society says women should do: she is married, and the sustained battery is proof that she has been loyal to her husband, she has stayed with him, the way women are supposed to. She may be badly hurt over a period of years. When she leaves home, she is often treated as a pariah, told the brutality is her own fault. Now think of the woman forced into prostitution. She is without the so-called protections of a respectable life. She has been abandoned, if not injured in the first place, by her family. Society has no place for her and despises her for what she has been doing. The photographs of her engaging in violating sex acts-violating of her-usually show her smiling, as if she enjoyed being used or hurt. Where can she turn? Where can she run? Who will believe her? Who will help her? Will you? (If you won't, don't assume anyone else will.)

The pimp or pornographer will come after her. If he is her husband or her father, he will have a legal right to her. He will be violent toward her and toward anyone who tries to help her. She will be terribly hurt from the life she has been leading: she will be injured from the pornography and prostitution; she may be addicted to many drugs; she will be filled with anger and self-hate and despair.

Battered women's shelters, of which there are not enough, many of which are understaffed, will probably not offer her shelter. They are afraid of the pimps and they are afraid of the host of antisocial behaviors that the woman herself may demonstrate. Rape crisis centers do not have resources to offer shelter at all but they are also not prepared to counsel prostitutes, even though most have been raped many times and suffer the trauma of multiple rape.

The women in pornography are the first victims of pornography. The pornographers, not the women they hurt, are responsible for pornography. The men who buy and use the pornography are responsible for pornography, not the women who are violated to make the product they so enjoy. And the society that protects the pornography is responsible for pornography: the courts that value the so-called rights of the pornographers over the humanity, the dignity, the civil equality of women; the publishers and writers who keep protecting the trafficking in women as if the commercial violation of women were a basic right of publishing; the lawyers, the politicians, the media, who congregate to chant self-righteous litanies in worship of the Constitution while women are raped for fun and profit under its protection.

Yup, I feel real sorry for Jenna Jamison who is a millionaire by the way.

Women in todays porn rule the industry. Does this article have a date?

I'll throw the ACLU crap up on the xbiz thread and see what happens?

Hey there is a guy on this board who had been in the porn industry. Can't remember who he was, wish he would chime in.

SOl,

There are literraly 1000's of studies available along those lines. When you look at porn on a world wide basis it gets even worse. Slavery and child abuse show that females are nothing more than cattle to the maoney men in the business.

TK
This statement probably has a lot of merit as long as we are not talking within the US. Once you step outside the US this statement is correct.

Like I said before, I think there is "some truth" to your premise, but to say "most" women is rediculous. I think the ACLU's percentage is extreamly high as well. Wouldn't be the first time those comunists were way out in left field.

SOL,

Same goes for the reasons you use porn. Most men will say they enjoy looking at women. Whats lacking with their wives or gf's that they have to look at anonymous women? Better yet whats lacking or broken in them that they have this need. Usually something that keeps them from communicating their needs wants or desires in thier relationships or setting up healthy relationships in the first place. Fat people do not enjoy looking at pictures of food they want to eat it. They don't go to grocery stores with their buddies on Sat night drunk and hungry and just look at food and go home hungry. Much like men do with strip clubs. Same with drug and booze addicts most will tell you they started doing drugs because they liked them( just as your porn industry people will tell you) They are unable to address what is inside them that leads them to self destructive behavior. Happy fullfilled people do not have a need to get wasted out of thier mind for entertainment. They generally do not do it alone because they want to know that other people are just like them.

You crack me up, dude. Men watch porn because they are breeders. It's bread into us through thousands of years of evolution. This monogomy crap is something that has come about relatively recently in the scope of human presence on earth. We wern't ment to be faithfull to one woman, but the modern day institution of marrage has seen to it because it's the accepted norm. So instead of nailing every chick we come across we live vicariously though visual imagery. I don't care if your married to the hottest chick in the world and she blows you twice a day, your going to look at other hot chicks because THATS WHAT MEN DO!

I think you've been pussified by to much counceling, and you spout this BS to convince yourself it's right. You're a mess. I'd be willing to bet if Jenna Jameson stuffed her muff in your face you'd lick it, and if she squated on your wong you'd blow like Mt. St. Helens, because you're a man deep down. Don't be such a woman.

Sol,

So you are married for what reason? I take it your wife is ok with you nailing other women and you conversely are ok with her nailing other guys? and you are raising your kids by the same values. Man is also a carnivore why don't we hunt and kill each other and fire up the BBQ? Plenty of evidence to suggest that that happened in the past with regularity.


AM in her quest to starp one on and act like a man leads me to believe that had she stayed in the oven one more day she would be a dyke known as Marshall. Sporting a mullet, wearing a plaid shirt and Carhart jeans with a big wallet tethered to a chain hanging from a belt loop. She would be prowling the bars of capitol hill looking for short haired fat girls known as ditch diggers.

It could just be BS but somehow I got the idea that "Johns" were little dick guys who couldn't make the grade with desirable women. Is that wrong?

You're a danger to society and yourself, dude. First of all I'm faithfull to my wife and visa versa. Did you miss the part about living vicariously through imagery? We are raising our kids with the modern day values of monogomy, and when they are old enough I will explain to them the same thing I've comunicated here so they don't get mentally fuc%ed-up when they grow up and see their respective mates musing photos of nude women.

Your carnivore analogy is as whacked as you are.

Sol,

You call monogomy crap but thats how you raise your kids and the life you live. You are just justifying your behavior re: porn . I am willing to bet your wife has little to no idea of the extent of your porn passion.

>You call monogomy crap but thats how you raise your kids and the life you live.

I pay taxes, too, but that doen't mean I don't think it's crap. It's the price of living in today's society.

>I am willing to bet your wife has little to no idea of the extent of your porn passion.

You couldn't be more wrong, as usual. She knows where all my material is at and I am open with her about it.

When I lived in Seattle I saw prostitutes on the street all the time. Never saw any that turned me on. They all looked lower class, poorly educated and not very intelligent. In a city full of classy and desirable women, wouldn't a guy have to have little to offer to classy women to need prostitutes?

That's a differnt topic, but I'm sure TK has an answer for you.

SOL,
I forgot she married you so there has to be an equal level of depravity.

Like TK has any idea what you're talking about.

He doesn't.

He whacks it to pics of men in fishing magazines.

>I forgot she married you so there has to be an equal level of depravity.

Weak, dude. Weak.

DanS

"Like TK has any idea what you're talking about."

I saw an ad on Tv during the bowl season. it claimed that most men with diabetes have erectile dysfunction and needed meds to get aroused. But maybe watching Everybody loves Raymond does it for you? My grandparents loved that show and I am sure they still take the skin boat to tuna town.

That is absolutely hilarious coming from someone that's been in mental health/marital counseling for over 16 years.

So what's lacking that someone needs such intensive counseling? What's broken? Can't communicate in your relationship?


So, SOL, how many years have you been in counseling with your depraved wife?

That would be funny to you GH. Someone that puts thought and action into a succesful outcome. Ever think you end up where you are in life because that is where you are supposed to be?

Read between the lines:
Yeah, that's what I thought.

Send your wife over. She'll come home with a different story altogether once she's out of her coma.

You got someone standing in for you this week? My wife does not care for short guys with flat heads and big ears. I bet Harleys wife does however.

Send her over and she'll have me standing in for you.

Ahhh, so that's why all the counseling; your mare doesn't care for you. Even though she's got a place to set her spit cup?

Jebus people. Get a life.

Man, remind me never to come around here again. I feel used and unclean.

No really.

Ah go dick with your camera you nerd.

Sol suggests the use of Vagisil for problems like this.

Parker, this was the first thread we've had about porn. Your buddy Sol came over here to talk about porn after the flap on the main board.

Thanks for all the entertainment, I've just about split my gut laughing so much. Ouch, doesn't that hurt tk ? Getting stomped like that and then kicked when you are down. Where else do you go for abuse? Or is that your passion? Even Rory Blowhard isn't posting anymore, I guess he has a weaker stomach than you, couldn't stand getting punched in it anymore. Sol, your discription of tk was just about the funniest thing you have written. Parker will learn to stay away from the dark side from now on. If the rivers would drop a little this side would get a lot less attention.

It did not suprise me that someone calls his porn addiction manley behavior and lefty cheered. He also stuffs his kids in day care lefty should get out the father of the year award.

Stever,

"God" knows I don't want to alienate any potential allies by scoring TK above F on any thread. But I got to say I thought he came out better on this thread than he does on most. Now if he just has sense enough to let it go...

There in lies the problem. He can't just let it go with out getting the last word in. About 35% of the posts on this thread are his and most don't even relate to the subject line, most are either to defend his previous post or to resort to name calling or both. tk ?response?

Yeah Stever,
Thank "God" for good old TK! At great personal sacrifice, he keeps it rolling along. If it wasn't for him a lot of threads that turn out to be interesting would die after a couple or three posts.

Stever,

I learned to shoot by shooting rats at the local landfill as a kid. You had to shoot a lot to keep the rats from over taking the neighborhood. Not many can outshoot me on game because of this training. It's alot like posting here.

Oh come on. You can't get rid of me that easy.

I was just yanking on some chains.

Got bored with the camera TK. Had to do something else.

Parker, the fishings not that good on this forum . It's mostly introduced suckers than have been fin clipped and they all swim in left hand circles.

As if on cue.... Thanks for posting tk. Is that a target on you back?

I'll never let lefty see my back but I see your tail.

I'm afraid nothing short of a full blown hysterectomy is gonna work for TK. Seriously.

DanS started his period today. He will be back tomorrow riding the cotton donkey for sure.

He misses me every time I'm gone.

It's OK lil' fella.....Dan is still here. He just doesn't share your need to prattle on constantly.