Today on the Tony Snow radio show Charlie challenged Murtha to accompany him to any US military institution in Iraq and find out if soldiers agreed with Murtha that we had lost and are losing the war and that we should pull out tonmorrow. He said bring the media along and report it back to the US. They could leave for Iraq tomorrow if Murtha wanted. He said if Murtha could not he would have to apologize for his comments and retract them.

I wonder if Murtha will get on the plane?

I doubt he will. For the record, I think Murtha was mistaken when he advised our young men and women not to enlist. That is not a proper thing for a senator to say in war time

I did see the other day that a recent poll of active duty service people showed they are less supportive of the Bush Administration then a few months ago. I believe their support is now about 54% compared to more like 70% a year ago. Still way higher than the general public but that's understandable. Our armed forces should believe in their Commander In Chief.

Tony Snow....Charlie Daniels? Who listens to them and why?

Ever watch the Military Channel on cable? Watch the Iraq war episodes and you'll see soldiers that aren't too happy over there.

Dave,
Which polls? link? I have never seen anything even close to those numbers.

Stlhd you must be watching the new gay channel LOGO thinking it is the Military channel. I watch the MC all the time never have seen one thing said against the War or the pres. List the shows you have seen such.

Ask and ye shall receive. Now I suppose it's time to tell us the polls aren't accurate, yada, yada, yada

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060103/wl_afp/usbushmilitarypoll_060102234337

TK, you aren't watching it much. I'm not looking them up for you. Watch the ones where they follow the troops around in Iraq and you'll see them if you take your blinders off.

"On Nov. 14, we mailed questionnaires to 6,000 people drawn at random from our list of active-duty subscribers. Recipients were asked to mail their answers to an independent firm that machine-tabulated the results to guarantee anonymity. We stopped processing incoming questionnaires Dec. 23.

About 4,000 of the 6,000 people who received questionnaires turned out to be on active duty. Only responses from acvtive-duty personnel were tabulated. Of those 4,000, 1,215 responded, a 30 percent response rate.

The margin of error in the survey is plus or minus 3 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence interval, meaning there is a 95 percent probability that results of the poll are accurate within 3 percentage points.

Those polled differ from the military as a whole in important ways. They tend to be older, higher in rank and more career-oriented. Even so, it is perhaps the most representative independent sample possible because of the inherent challenges in polling servicemen and women, according to polling experts and military sociologists.

The poll has come to be viewed by some as a barometer of the professional career military.

Readers can find the questionnaire and the full results of the poll and the questionnaire online at www. armytimes.com. Researchers interested in obtaining the full data set should contact Senior Managing Editor Robert Hodierne at rhodierne@atpco.com. "


I cannot think of any poll showing such problems that would be accepted as accurate and valid.

Would you accept a poll of Wall street journal readers in the same age group and professional status on the state of the union?

TK: It's no wonder anyone takes you seriously. Yada,yada,yada.

Answer the qustion Dave?

"Would you accept a poll of Wall street journal readers in the same age group and professional status on the state of the union?"

Either you would or you would not or you admit you are biased.

It's the History Channel. The show is called "Off to War".

TK: You are nothing if not consistent. I told you I saw a poll that claimed support for Bush was slipping. You asked for proof. I supplied it. That was where you should have said something like, "Oh that's interesting." I knew you were not big enough to do that. I even predicted your response before I saw it.

Would I accept the poll as proof that support for Bush has slipped in the military? Of course I would. Will I debate polling techniques with you? No because you never listen and you never admit even the slightest shred of doubt or possibility of error on your part or that of your beloved president. If I were to prove the polling technique was perfect you would head off on yet another of your endless tangents. Debating with you is simply not worth my effort.

Here is my New Years resolution. I will not debate with TK again in 2006. It's too much like trying to reason with a rock.

I just looked up LOGO, and it really is a new gay channel. Nice to know TK is keeping up on where he can get the newest gay goods and gossip.

(who's TK really??, maybe he's Jim West)

I wonder if Chuckie will invite Pace and Rumsfeld along to see the soldier's reaction when told two top commanders admit we can't win this militarily.

That's gotta be good for their morale.

And agreed; Murtha shouldn't of said that.

DV,

Talk about consistant look in the mirror. You could care less where anyhthing comes from as long as it justifies your view. There is not one person here that would accept that poll as anything but biased unless it was negative about Bush. Cut and run it's your proven style in life when confronted with reality.

"They're simply getting tired out. Wouldn't you?"

You did not read the poll then did you?

"Four years of combat have done little to dent the morale of the professional military, results of the 2005 Military Times Poll show.

But there are also hints in the results that the wave of good feeling may have crested.

Job satisfaction remains high: 85 percent say they are at least somewhat satisfied with their job, similar to responses in 2003 and 2004. More than four out of five say they would recommend a military career to others, and about three out of four say they would support their child’s decision to seek a military career.

In follow-up interviews, poll respondents drew a direct connection between mission and morale.

“I think the majority of guys who are getting the chance to go over there are seeing the good we’re doing over there and that we’re doing something important,” said Marine Staff Sgt. Justin ***ala. “To actually be able to go out and do your job has a certain degree of satisfaction to it.” "


So is the poll accurate or are you a liar?


Here is what the pollsters them selves had to say.

"The results should not be read as representative of the military as a whole"

In follow-up interviews, most poll respondents said they remain solidly behind their commander in chief and his policy in Iraq.

“I think we’re fortunate as a country to have someone who has the focus and the persistence that he does because it’s so easy to get sidetracked,” said Navy Cmdr. Jeff Bohler. “The ability of the president to persevere in the face of overwhelming criticism is really impressive. It takes someone with a spine and courage.”

Many attributed the fall in support, both among the public and the military, withto a misguided lack of patience.

“We live in a society where … people want answers right away,” said Air Force Capt. Randall Carlson, a physics instructor at the Air Force Academy, who said he approves of the president’s policies. “Unfortunately with Iraq, there are no easy answers.”

‘They don’t report good news’ While 73 percent of respondents believe it’s likely the United States will succeed in Iraq, that’s down 10 points from a year ago.

“We’re losing a lot of troops. The suicide bombers are not stopping,” said Air Force Staff Sgt. Melida G. Castano. “It doesn’t look promising at this point.”

But others blamed the loss in confidence on the media, which many said has failed to report positive news in Iraq. Four of every five respondents said they believe media reports are often inaccurate.

“They don’t report the good news, and if they do, it’s on the back page,” said Marine Chief Warrant Officer-3 Michael Edmonson.

TK speaks for everyone. He's a man of the people.

I was waiting for Dan to chime in. He is usually the first one all over a polls and use of statistics and validity. Your absent voice here speaks very loud. Typical but loud none the less.

"I'm saying the poll is not correctly portraying what the troops are saying. The text you THOUGHT I didn't read is merely someone else's conclusion."

It's the people that did the polls conlusion of the polls results and after poll follow up.

So its not accurate based on you perception and emotions. Wow and no one wants to take you to task on that? thats a suprise given the audience.

I didn't know what I said mattered that much. I guess I just failed in my obligation to comment on every subject.

"I didn't know what I said mattered that much"

It does not but being consistant is important. Had RB posted something like that your first post would have challenged it. Since it was friendly to your position you let it walk.