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#175215 - 05/08/06 11:25 PM Michael Yon, and a Rumsfield inference.
sardonicus Offline
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Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
I have listened to the grumbles about Rumsfield, and I drew no conclusions for several reasons. I know nothing about his responsibilities. He serves the administration. And like it or not it is our administration. We seem to have the best damn military on the planet. Only our politicians can defeat them. I cannot vouch for the credibility of the several retired flag officers that are saying he should go. Just sour grapes or are they knowing something we should all know?
I do value the judgement of this Michael Yon fellow. He has put himself in harm's way for the purpose of telling the Afghanistan/Iraq story in an unbiased and factual manner. I hope he survives to reap something of value from it all. You should all read his "Why we write" dispatch. No political device intended.
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#175216 - 05/08/06 11:29 PM Re: Michael Yon, and a Rumsfield inference.
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 1765
Out of about 7000 living retired generals, there are what...6 complaining, you do the math, does that sound like a real problem, or a project of the media/polititions ?

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#175217 - 05/09/06 01:31 AM Re: Michael Yon, and a Rumsfield inference.
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Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 404
Loc: port ludlow
Way off Org, but then again, what should I expect. There are more like 4700 retired generals and these are closer to the facts and not nearly as misleading as your above post.

(I'm basically plagiarizing here)

The pure number of the generals is tremendously misleading.

First, none of the seven that have come out against Rumsfeld are below two star generals. I am sure this takes away at least half of the generals mentioned at Slate.

Second, two of the generals are three star generals and one is a four star general. The number of retired and alive four star generals is probably 10%, at most, of the retired and alive generals.

Third, and this is the big one, of the 4700 or so retired generals only one was head of the marines and head of US Central Command during the Iraq war. Only one commanded the training of Iraqi forces until 2004. Only one commanded the first infantry division in Iraq.

These aren’t generals that weren’t active in the present Gulf War (which easily 95% of the total number are).

The use of the numbers is misleading, at best

Better luck trying to sound like you know what you're talking about next time
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President Merkin Muffley

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#175219 - 05/09/06 12:57 PM Re: Michael Yon, and a Rumsfield inference.
sardonicus Offline
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Registered: 07/26/05
Posts: 954
Loc: Spokane, Wa.
'Micromanage', makes me thing of Adolph und der Wehrmacht Offizier Corp, LBJ, Macnamara and the Viet Nam fiasco. Then too Stormin Norman wouldn't touch the Desert Storm job offer with out a guarantee of absolute complete DC disengagement. Too bad HE doesn't run for president on anyone's ticket.

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#175221 - 05/09/06 11:08 PM Re: Michael Yon, and a Rumsfield inference.
goharley Offline
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
Here's the bottom line about most of those generals that are coming out against Rummy: They are individuals that interfaced with, or reported directly to him in regards to the war. Their credibility outweighs all of those previously retired generals combined.

I will add this, also; I have personally spoken with flag officers and commanders that have returned from theater that agree with those generals. After seeing what happened to Shinseki and Powell, is it any wonder they keep their mouth shut until they too retire?
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