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#185315 - 02/05/03 12:47 AM STS Article Spring Steelhead
Double Haul Offline
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Registered: 03/07/99
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I recently read an article in the new issue of STS titled Spring Steelhead. Did anyone else think this article missed the mark fishing for post spawn steelhead? Maybe ethics are a little different in and around the Great Lakes, but isn't this article sending the wrong message about it being OK about targeting post spawners or what I would call kelts in my book?
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#185316 - 02/05/03 12:52 AM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
Stew Offline
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 305
Loc: Extreme Left of Center
Well I guess it's no worse than the article in another issue about catching smolts on Powerbait rolleyes
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#185317 - 02/05/03 09:15 AM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
hawk Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 562
Loc: austin, Minnesota, USA
I don't think that the ethics are any different in the Great Lakes regarding what fish are targeted.

We have a totally different situation here for fishing than in the PNW. Our fish generally come in big/gigantic pushes that are dependent on rainfall. It's a very short time frame, with the fish going in and out of the river system in short order. I can not think of many systems in the entire Great Lakes that has a run of steelheads in it for the entire year. This is mainly dependent on water temps, flow levels during the late spring/summer months

We like freshies just like you do, but the fact of the matter, is that in dry springs, our fish have loose eggs when they hit the river. It is totally common, to catch chrome bright hens in the spring that are running loose eggs when you unhook them. Yes, alot of the guys like myself release most of the brats they catch too.

We have many places where sanctuaries exist to protect fish that are spawning. Certain sections of rivers are off limits to fishing. Some rivers have closed seasons while the fish are in the wintering over mode, so they aren't harassed prior to spawning in the spring. This is somewhat common on rivers that have good poplulations of wild fish. It is also prevalent in areas where there are hatchery terminals or wiers for egg collection.


We catch a fair share of post spawn fish, but they generally blow out in to the lake after doing their thing, as water temps rise dramatically. Our fisheries are largely put and take. The DNR plants them, they grow up, and the fisherman catch them. I can tell you that some rivers with about 4 miles of fishable water , get in excess of 125,000 plants per year. Our wild fish are treated with the utmost care, as they are not as prevalent as the brats.

As a conversation piece, I will pose the following question. What is the difference in targeting fish that are coming in to the river to spawn, vs targeting a fish that has already spawned? In the purest sense, we would not fish at all, as all fish are either a pre spawner (whether in the salt or in the river) or a post spawner. Is it more ethical to chase a pregnant woman, or one that just gave birth? banana
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#185318 - 02/05/03 10:47 AM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
skydriftin Offline
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Registered: 01/26/02
Posts: 301
Loc: everett,wa
Dhaul ,I had the same thoughts on the article

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#185319 - 02/05/03 07:09 PM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
pimpinshrimp Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 01/29/02
Posts: 140
Loc: whatcom county
I agree with Hawk. We wouldn't be fishing if all the elitists had their way. By the way I would rather chase a pregnant woman. evil
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#185320 - 02/05/03 09:12 PM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
skydriftin Offline
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Registered: 01/26/02
Posts: 301
Loc: everett,wa
I am not an elitist. I don't think it is wrong to catch a downstream fish, but I do think it is wrong to specifically target them

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#185321 - 02/05/03 09:52 PM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
Bob Offline

Dazed and Confused

Registered: 03/05/99
Posts: 6367
Loc: Forks, WA & Soldotna, AK
They're "spent" fish ... leave 'em alone!

Yes, you're going to catch them, most are actively feeding again and they're incredibly stupid and you almost can't catch them when they're around.

The spring steelhead fishery on the Kasilof fishery is stictly for spawners that held under the winter ice after entering in the fall and spawning in the spring. They're about the rattiest skiniest snakes you'll ever see. We don't fish it but get a lot of calls from folks looking to fish it ... and they seem to think we're nuts when we suggest leaving the spent fish alone. Funny when you consider almost no one in that area would consider killing one ...
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#185322 - 02/05/03 10:53 PM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
oneeyebob Offline
Fry

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 36
Loc: Shoreline
People back on the east coast see it differently than we do, its just fishing to them. The fish were planted and there are no native stocks to have the strains deleted by bad fishing practices. Im glad I grow up here, boy do I miss fishing inthe NW in the 60s and early 70s{ before Bolt}

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#185323 - 02/05/03 11:16 PM Re: STS Article Spring Steelhead
Wild Chrome Offline
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Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 640
Loc: The Tailout
Ethical or not, one word describes downstreamers for me: Letdown. They just aren't the same, as all there metabolism has geared toward reproduction so they're weak. Isn't there something else to fish for back there at that time?
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