Here's a good read on peace activism. A little long, but it really good.

http://www.assyrianchristians.com/i_was_wrong_mar_26_03.htm

please refer to my $1,000 offer if anyone thinks they can outdebate (or even match me fact for fact on iraq) this anti-pre-emptive strike protestor. and for those that cant debate I will up the anti to $2,000 for any of you brainless conservatives that want to take a try at punching me. will one of you please put up atleat $500 and show me that you have the balls. if not than shut the hell up with your condoning violence against protestors. someone please .......your $500 to my $2,000. odds are in your favor

Chapped, you are a non-fishing stud bro. Do you ever have anything good to add to this FISHING BOARD? ALL you do is talk a lot a crappy. Telling people to shut the he!! up, throwing money around like the man. There has to be a better place for you to use your HUGE BRAIN AND BIG WALLET. Why waste your time and money on us "BRAINLESS CONSERVATIVES". Good luck where you end up, he!! I'll even buy you a beer for the trip. Have a great day.

There ya go FS75, well put...BTW we have to hook up soon and shoot some pool...talk about the next fishing trip.

Billy Bob, that was a great article, thanks for posting it.

Come on Sky-Guy justify your post. Well, at least try an rationalize the advocating violence against people that disagree with your political views.

Of course ALL of the 'pro war' types take into consideration that they may be wrong as well...

I don't think that Skyguy was trying to advocate violence against the anti crowd as much as he was trying to show that not defending yourself against a bully only emboldens them.

Chappy what planet are you from anyway?

OK Chappy...

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If that's true Vic then he would be somehow trying to equate peace activists with bullies.... my guess is that he was making a joke and nothing more.

Vic,
Which post did you read? The post was ill conceived and shows the depth of hatred the conservative" KVI" group has for anyone with differing points of view. Read the first few responses, I believe yours was one of them. True there might have been a hidden purpose, but look what he has accomplished. He needed to come forth and put an end to this, rather then allow it to go on to this point. Well I am going Springer fishing, and no I won't give anyone the GPS points, don't want to get shot by a flare gun or tear gas...........EZ now, he has a "black box" and he knows how to use it.

Stlhdh20

Perhaps it was a joke and nothing more. The antiwar crowd has employed bully tactics but I wasn't trying to make that comparision. To me it illistrated that negotiation and turning the other cheak only works if you are dealing with someone who is willing to do the same.

Doug

I don't have a hatred for a differing point of view. Perhaps you are painting conservatives with that broad brush because you aren't as openminded or tollerant as you think you are.
I did think the original post was kind of funny, and profound at the same time. So I made a smart a$$ remark. I haven't gone out and beat up any anti war protesters (and neither has any one else here).

To say the the KVI/Protroop people hate opposing points of view is kind of stupid when the Protroop rallies have illustrated exactly the opposite. They been very respectful of the views of others and peaceful. Can't exactly say that about the anti-war "PEACE" protests can we now (if you want examples I would be happy to provide some). Kind of makes ya wonder who really hates an opposing point of view.

Good Luck spinger fishing.

Oh, I've seen plenty of boorish behavior at rallies from both sides. It gets me to wondering.........how do you protest for peace by acting violent.......and how do you support freedom and honor by acting in a dishonorable fashion?

It just doesn't make any sense.......

"how do you support freedom and honor by acting in a dishonorable fashion?"

The question of the day for the pro-war types. Name calling and marginalization seem to be their modus operandi, with a few notable exceptions, even on those taking a fairly moderate stance on the war.

For me the question each day has always been 'how can I be against the war and still show my support for the troops?"

I figure the best thing I can do is to continue to respectfully excersise the very freedoms which they are fighting to protect...we wouldn't want our returning soldiers to come home to a country less free than when they left, would we?

Boorish behavior is one thing (sticks and stones may break my bones). Commiting acts of violence or vandalism is another all together. I have yet to read about a Pro troops rally turing violent. I have yet to hear about anyone being arrested at a pro troops rally for any reason. Yet that is a daily occurance for the anti crowd.


I won't argue that there has been name calling on both sides. Marginalizing... I might even be willing to conceed that as well. The anti-crowd has flat out lied to try and make their point. I heard some stupid reporter on NPR the other day trying to tell me that this is "a war against children". I would really like her so show me one area in Iraq where we have inteinionally targeted children.

One more thing then I am done with my rant for the night. I would like to know if the protestors in Oakland really thought they were supporting the troops by trying to deny them of supplies.

h20:

NEWS FLASH!! I don't think any of our troops would welcome your "support".

grandpa-

The problem with news flashes is that they go strictly for the headline without delving into the meat of the story.

Your statement just proves that you know nothing about me.

Why don't you just go ahead and say it...you think my opposition to the war EXCLUDES me from being able to 'support the troops'.

Support your position with a credible argument and I will counter.

Vic-

People are going to hate this argument...so be it.

Taking the most radical example of peace activism and trying to use it a representative sample of all advocates for peace is exactly what I mean when I say 'marginalization'.

It would be equivalent to the ever popular argument made by chappy equating the patriotic, natiionalistic, aggressive Bush administration to the Hitler regime...the most radical example of ultra-conservatism....

...and we can all agree that is a bad comparison.

Well maybe there are some troops who would protest against the war and express hatred for the policies of America but I suspect they might be from Iraq or Syria.

As for me I am going fishing and leave this anti-war vs war monger BS to you guys......

I thought so...

I think that the pro-troop rally they had in the center of Baghdad this morning spoke volumes. 23 million people were given back their hope for a better future.