#194730 - 04/18/03 09:49 PM
Re: How skillful are you macho-fisherman?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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I don't know you, so I guess I can't answer that. But, when posts start disappearing, it's usually a sign that the administrator(s) don't like the direction the thread is going. So why keep going down the same path?
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#194731 - 04/19/03 12:38 AM
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#194732 - 04/19/03 01:09 AM
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Dazed and Confused
Registered: 03/05/99
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I made that 30% get a little bigger But as it was stated, it depends upon the fisheries. I'd like to believe that in some, like those I guide upon, that I'm in the top 1% or so. On the other hand, I'm not much of a saltwater salmon angler or a trout angler on a lake and the reverse is more likely true. I think the scenario would be true for most out there ... skilled at a few, sorta helpless at others. Always nice to fish those that you're good at, but also a lot of fun to try new things too!
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#194734 - 04/19/03 04:42 AM
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I'm not much of ... a trout angler on a lake I can make you a top 1% lake trout angler in one word. POWERBAIT However, it takes 2 words to make someone a top 1% steelheader. GOOD LUCK
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#194735 - 04/19/03 02:57 PM
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Dazed and Confused
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No question there Stihlhead!! I'd much rather have luck on my side than knowledge any day of the week! I'm a firm believer that the fish gods reward those that look out for them as well Next week, I'm really gonna work at learning a knot other than the same one I use to tie my shoes
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#194736 - 04/19/03 03:06 PM
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Reverend Tarpones
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Depends a lot on definition. I suspect I am in the top 1% of all anglers IF you consider a general knowledge of many fish and fishing circumstances.
I have fished for and caught marlin, bonefish, tarpon, gar, trout, steelhead, salmon, bass, catfish, char, sailfish, giant trevally, jacks, three species of tuna, yellowtail, roosterfish, cubera snapper, amberjack etc.,etc. I know a bit about an awful lot of fish and fishing.
I am only an expert on steelhead, and am a fairly knowledgable salmon angler. This all adds up to a giant SO WHAT! The guy who has the most fun wins. End of story.
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#194738 - 04/19/03 11:27 PM
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Bob, I meant more like yeh, right, "Good luck getting there" but I agree you need to have a good luck/karma as well. There are some rivers that ALWAYS kick my butt and I have become superstitious. Nowadays if I am going fishing I greet the river the first time I see it and try not to pi$$ it off and I say thank you and good bye when I am leaving
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#194740 - 04/20/03 12:59 PM
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What we talkin bout here? Do ya gotta be macho to answer the poll? And if the answer is yes are gonna run a poll just for FLY (GUYS) ? Is skillfull catching targeted fish every outing? Every cast? Catching more targeted fish than your partner? Catching more on a slow day? Knowing all the knots, lures, catalogues, most expensive reels, being able to post the best pics, where to compile data (fish counts, river conditions, tides etc. etc.) I've been skunked when all around me were catching, I've been the only one who caught anything. I've been there Thurs. and I've been there the tomorrow when you should have been here yesterday. One of the questions on the final test of my drivers education class in high school (1960) was how do you rank yourself as a driver... class of 28 , 16 of us said above average. We had all just turned, or were gonna turn 16 yrs. old. I have a feelin the instructor had a differant view of our skills. If were talkin skillful liar... Top 10% Gear in order, ready to rock..above ave. Bring coffee and smokes... top10% Do the lights on my trailer work?..Top 10% Do I love to fish and enjoy all the related B.S. that goes with it? .... Absolutely top 1% I'd say that makes me... about average. herm (BTW I'm a bait thug)
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#194742 - 04/20/03 04:26 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 09/25/01
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Loc: Tacoma
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Do people get mad at you for putting them to shame? If a 10%ers actions on the river came across along the same lines as your statement above shouldn't they expect resentment. A true 10%er doesn't take issue with envy or conquest. If you are fishing with a group of people and someone chooses to call you an A-hole because your skill or luck level is peeking take it as term of endearment and show them the way.
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#194743 - 04/20/03 07:30 PM
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herm, Getting the trailer light to work is no easy task especially if you are taking a friend's boat or they are taking yours You need to have a bunch of spare fuse with you and you end up giving up. This poll covers everyone but as far as running a poll just for fly fishermen, if I remember correctly we only have 4 hardcore fly fishermen. In "Which lure to use" poll, only 2.9% of ~ 141 guys voted for using flies exclusively But I have a feeling that Bob voted for fly. He made some hints about it. I guess some guys are more into the way they catch it as oppose to how many. Everyone looks for a mixture of quality & quantity. I can go so far with quality but I need some quantity to get me going. It is a vicious circle for me
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#194744 - 04/21/03 12:54 PM
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River Nutrients
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Hey Micro, Sounds to me like you watch a little too much Bassmasters! Surecatch nailed it IMHO. Are you happy when you go fishing? Do you feel satisfied by what you get out of fishing? Do you fish to commune with nature, test your skills, relieve stress, enjoy the good things in life? If you answered YES to these questions, you ARE a 10%'er, no matter what anyone else says!
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#194745 - 04/21/03 05:40 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
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Loc: Kingston, WA
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Seems to me that there is a whole lot of truth to the old saw: "The more you know, the more you realize how much you don't know." For me, fishing, like golf, can be very, very humbling. (I keep telling my wife that's why I need to get out more often. ) And while I might think at times that I can hold my own as fisherman (or golfer), it's a good thing I don't have to hold a job and provide for my family doing it. My hat is off to those that do though; these are the true 10%ers 'cause frankly, talk walks and money talks. But of course, there is nothing really wrong with seeing ourselves as something we'd like to be, just so long as we know the reality, which is the difference and the distance it's going to take to get there. Regardless of how far I may think I’ve come, it isn't nearly far enough. Everyday that goes by brings me closer to the realization that to be a half-way decent fisherman, golfer, husband, father, friend or any-number-of-things-I’d-really-like-to-be is going to take more time than I’ve got left to wade these waters. But having said that; Tiger and Bob watch out!
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#194746 - 04/21/03 05:42 PM
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4Salt, You are absolutely right. But I rather be a 10%er that catches fish as oppose to a 10%er that doesn't
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#194748 - 04/21/03 08:20 PM
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Professional Tveecher
Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Rockport,TX
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i feel that a fishermans skill depends on his ability to adapt to any situation, which translates to being able to catch fish on any river or tributary that he/she are placed on or have the privelage to fish on. Knowledge is power. All of you may think your a bunch of hot shot fisherman, but you need to step back and think. Most of you fish only fish one or two rivers maybe 4 different rivers in a year. The law of averages says your going to catch more fish the more time you spend hunting down all the spots YOU KNOW always hold fish. But take you off your home rivers your like a blind man looking for a corner in a round room. You'd have to spend all that time HUNTING for all those spots on the NEW rivers. Being or I chould say becoming an elite fisherman is achieving the ability and talent to take your rod,vest,waders,and smile to anywhere in washington,Oregon,California and catching just as many fish, if not more than the locals goggling at your answer to their inquiry as to how many fish you've caught besides the ones they've seen you catch. The answer to that question is and always will be ............"A few" <img border="0" alt="[wall]" title="" src="graemlins/wall.gif" />
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#194749 - 04/21/03 08:36 PM
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Loc: Rockport,TX
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As for how good I think I am? I can't really say. When I go up to the Peninsula and sit down to dinner in J.D Loves house and have dinner with my father-in-law Greg Hartman and J.D.'s family and he and my father-in-law have a few glasses of wine and start talking about years passed and secret techniques they've invented that can catch fish on every river Ive seen some of them used on I realize the answer to this question; not good enough. My father-in-law taught me how to catch a steelhead as good and sometimes beter :p than he himself can at 40 some odd years old,which since he was 18 have been spent fishing. Him and I go on new stretchs off river and old rivers he hasn't fished in 20 years every trip and I can tell you that 99.9% of the time we catch as many and most of the time more fish than the people we encounter on the river. Bill Herzog said it best the last time I talked to him, it went something like: Everyone asks me what one secret weapon ,if there is one, to catching salmon and steelhead consistently, and I tell 'em all the same thing. Read the water ya zipperhead!
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